I agree with p q. Only speculations, where is the proof? I presume that exists inteligent life out of earth, but, where is the proof? p q, you are correctly.
2010/1/2 p q <[email protected]>: > happy new year people > as much as i like this project i need to publish my comments and let others > think about them too : > 1- its claimed that "we are cracking A5/1 so the industry can replace it > with the newer A5/3" . this is wrong . industry can not change A5/1 with > A5/1 because we cracked A5/1 . to utilize A5/3 we need a UMTS network . most > networks around the world are 2G based , usually 2.75 . changes in operators > needs highly expensive procedure , law , regulations and alike . i know > people with academic only background dont get this but that's their fault . > this is not just about industrial profit , its also about people expenses > and the general wireless regulation and condition in a country . dont > bullshit people . phones that are made for 2G can not simply upgrade to > offer A5/3 as well . its not just possible . we can stand and cluelesslly > talk about it but its not possible . so the whole idea to present the danger > to shift the technology at operators side is just garbage > 2- its claimed that GSM is now broken . GSM is broken but it does not have > anything to do with this project . this project is about A5/1 . A5/1 is not > GSM . GSM contains RF and Radio management and spectrum budget too . this > project didnt and in my opinion is never going to break GSM . at best we can > expect to break A5/1 . these are different things people . dont get yourself > fooled . its the same with Kasumi . maybe Kasumi is broken maybe not , i'm > not sure but i'm sure UMTS is not broken . GSM and UMTS are complicated > systems . its not just about the cryptography > 3- its claimed finally somebody did it and now A5/1 is broken . this is also > wrong . this project never proved it has broken A5/1 . where is the proof ? > we have generated our tables , which they are partial and they are shared . > that's what happened . the presentation and all the media coverage , while i > respect them , dont offer anything new to the tables . seriously , how its > been proved A5/1 can be broken with the Tables that this project has been > generated and is going to be generated ? its all talks , speculations and > ideas . nobody even decoded a real GSM conversation with anything produced > by this project . i'd be more than happy if somebody can show i am wrong , > not with idea and speculations but with a real GSM capture and a real decode > procedure filmed on youtube ! that's proof . the rest is just talk . so , > why we are so excited about it ? because its wide now and most people who > didnt know a thing about GSM before know are hearing cool things about > the possibility of listening to ATM traffic for example . we all knew its > possible . its out there for years . but as for this project what have we > done ? we have reproduced THC's content and ideas on different site , > different names and some tables that are just claimed to be true are > published . so what ? > 4- its claimed this project will generate the tables fully then Airprobe > will build an interceptor using open or cheap hardware and this all together > will prove GSM is broken . > ok , so , until now we dont have all the tables we are not even sure the > ones that are generated are Ok and no one has proved it , we just talked > about it . great ! > on Airprobe , we have some ideas its possible to capture GSM with USRP but > we didnt actually solve the Hopping problem , so in reality we dont have > even correct ideas how to capture real world GSM traffic and given the facts > i think that's not gonna happen anytime soon . if i am wrong please give me > a link to a page that filed the real GSM traffic has captured with USRP and > can be analyzed . anything else is just talk and talk is cheap > i will be more than glad to see people prove me wrong on these 4 items but i > think nobody can . what happened here was just a bunch of republications and > getting the information to a wider audience . nohl's work is good but i'm > also as an ex academic and current convict of industry can not just stand up > and applause for something i clearly see is half truth , in doubt , unproved > or maybe even wrong . > people are attacking GSMA . i think they have every right to do that but i > believe they are right on one thing . " the team has underestimated the..." > by the way there was another presentation at CCC about playing with RF > interface of cellphones . what a load of crap . i had high hopes and i saw > just a bunch of republications of THC work and some general knowledge . > nothing more . he said its possible to play around TI's calypso and control > it . so what ? you guessed that alone all by yourself that's possible ? good > job ! in A5/1 presentation its been said its possible to build an IMSI > catcher using open source stuff . how it is possible ? why would we lie > about this ? openbts and openbsc and USRP alltogether can not do what IMSI > catchers do , not now and not in near future . so why would we publish some > general information we have on IMSI catchers ( widely available in > law enforcement and old articles like Barkan and biham also explained it ) > and add some misinformation to it to make it legit ? that's not called > honest Academic work people > even if in another world all these were theoretically possible , we havent > done them yet . so ? its just all talk . how is talking about something is > equal to doing it ? i'm looking for people who can explain this to me > no offence intended > all the bests > > > _______________________________________________ > A51 mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > > -- H2G-Labs Information Security Igor Marcel - Information Security Consultant H2GLabs.Information.Security "at" Gmail.com _______________________________________________ A51 mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
