George, Here is a link to Keyboard commands of Narrator: https://support.microsoft.com/en-in/help/22806/windows-10-narrator-keyboard-commands-touch-gestures
Harish, I respectfully disagree to the point if organizations have restrictions to downloads applications such as NVDA; that's a reasonable accommodation and organizations cannot deny. Until Narrator comes to a decent level where we can use on usual applications like excel etc., I would not prefer providing this as an otpion to use at organizations. Thanks, Srinivasu Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com Let's create an inclusive web! Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:49 PM, George Abraham <[email protected]> wrote: > Where can I find the key strokes and other information to get started with > Narrator? > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Kotian, H P > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 2:02 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age > > Hi > > I will leave this thread with the final remarks. > > 1 I have been requesting the computer training centres to introduce > narrator > as a screen reader in their training programme. If it seems logical, take > it > or leave it. I do understand, the keystroke used is quite different from > other screen readers and the existing computer users may not take the > trouble for switch over. I have only been asking for the new users to be > trained in Narator. I did not tell everyone to switch to narrator. > > 2 We can now tell application developers to check accessibility first hand > on Narator as a standard screen reader. So far we could only ask them to > use > the commercial screen reader on a demo mode and the limitation of this > approach is best understood by us than anybody else. NVDA was certainly a > option. Many came back to me the voice is impossible. > > 3 Many work place have lots of restriction in downloading and installing > applications. If one is trained in Narrator, it will save the day. > > 4 Many exams are now held online and here too there are umpteen restriction > in installing applications. One who is conversant in narrator will find > himself in a advantage. > > > Consider this if it makes sense or simply forget it as rubbish Both ways it > is fine with me. > > Finally, NVDA is my screen reader of choice and I use it a good deal. I do > intent to devote time for Narator now. > > Harish. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Prashant Ranjan Verma > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:13 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age > > While I support development of the Narrator and hope that someday it will > be > as good as NVDA and Jaws with all advanced features, I am cautious because > of the MacOS experience. > > The screen reader on iOS is great but on the desktop platform Mac is not > the > first choice of blind persons even in USA and Europe. > On the desktop environment, a lot more features are required as compared to > the mobile OS. Voiceover on Mac has not reached the level of Jaws and NVDA > and to most the keystrokes are also very cumbersome to learn. > > For now the question an average user will ask are: > Is Narrator better than NVDA? If not then why should I switch? > Is Narrator supporting all my requirements like scanning books, word > processing, presentations, call conferencing, Excel etc.? > Is Narrator working with Indian languages like Hindi? is typing and editing > fully supported in regional languages? > > Till the time the answer is yes to above questions, it is good to let the > new users know about Narrator but train them on using NVDA only. > Once people are good users of the computer, they can compare and choose for > themselves. Actually they can use different screen readers for different > requirements depending upon their strengths. > > And note that I am involved in the development of accessibility of Edge > browser and thereby contributing a bit towards Windows accessibility. I > have > nothing against Microsoft. I also want operating systems to build complete > accessibility eliminating the need to procure third party Assistive > technology. > > thanks, > Prashant > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Vikas Kapoor > Sent: 11 June 2018 21:56 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age > > Even in the Android OS, there are certain things which talkback is not able > to perform while the same tasks are very well handled by Shine Plus, > another > very good screen reader for Android platform. Even I am also of the opinion > that we should keep multiple screen readers handy, be it Windows or > Android, > to be able to cope with different types of challenges. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kotian, H P > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning > the disabled. > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age > > > Hi Prashant > > It was certainly Microsoft did not have technical challenges to make a > good screen reader. I suppose because of IOS and Android, Microsoft got a > realization, they could not hold it any more. > > To my understanding, they gave space for assistive technology companies > to > grow and compete. Now as it stands today all have withered away and this > may > be another factor for MS to reenter into this space. > > As I see narrator today, I think, MS will take narrator in full steam. > The > mood and inclination seems poised to provide 3rd party support. In my > opinion computer training centres should onboard this development to make > their course relevant and contextual. > > I would not really call it a set back to NVDA development. One can't have > only one screen reader as a solution. There are occasions where one screen > reader out performs another. It should be users choice where and when he > chooses to use which screen reader. This can only be done when the choices > are inherently rich enough in features and capabilities. > > I would consider it regressive if training centres do not make aware and > provide suitable training even when screen reader is sufficiently capable. > > Although screen reader development is a tricky business, there should not > be a forced cost to it. Accessibility should be inherently available to use > the platform. > > Harish. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Prashant Ranjan Verma > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:34 AM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age > > Yes, Narrator has really improved by leaps and bounds. But I would still > not recommend anyone to switch to it given that NVDA is also available free > of cost. > It needs to be seen if Microsoft continues to develop Narrator and more > importantly if they put resources in supporting third party applications > and > develop advanced screen reader features. Also it needs to be seen if > Microsoft allows users to customize it and build add-ons for different > needs. > > If they continue to develop it over the next one or two years then I > think > NVDA usage will get a big setback. > For now the super users can keep testing and evaluating it. > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Harish Kotian > Sent: 10 June 2018 10:59 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age > > Hi All > > > Narrator has really taken off ultimately in the latest update on Win10. > > > I would urge all the computer training centers to focus on narrator as a > screen reader. > > There are plenty of enhancements as a result of which it is now > possible to switch to it as a primary screen reader. 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