here is a link about the abuse of the internet to our natural languages, proving the negativeness of the internet on our main tongues, as well as our acquired language(s). read on: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/lingua-franca.html
--- Amit Bhatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Ketan, > Nobody would like to differ with the thought that > one must always try to > improve his language skills and I Am happy to know > that you want let others > to enhance their abilities and skills but see, from > psychological point of > view, I seriously doubt whether everyone will be > that much of mentally > strong enough to be advised in front of over 400 > members. Specially when we > write like: "If you expect to become voice and > accent trainer and this is > the language you use then ... God may help you. The > spelling and grammar > errors in the mails are just shocking." > My only concern is that why we need to give our > comment with such statements > between the public while we endeavor to make someone > correct. > And then I Am also not sure whether use of words > like "great shame" will > encourage and help someone enriching his skills. > Giving the right direction is indeed in our favor > but making such statement > in public seems to me like surplus to the > requirements. > "Appreciate in public and criticize in private." I > think this principal > should be followed when we want a person to work > towards improvisation of > any skill. > Moreover, this is not a language development forum. > I never ever said that > enhancement of our skills is not required but I just > wanted to convey the > right way to make someone understand on the group > of the people. > Please do not take me otherwise. These are my own > views and thoughts and > have no intention to go against you or anyone else. > Thanks, > > Amit Bhatt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ketan Kothari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > > > I am distressed to write again. I feel that we > have decided to be the > > second best at all times. My humble submission is > that we must aim at > being > > the best as far as possible. In fact, only > because we are not native > > speakers of English we need to take special care. > Also, when we claim to > > have acquired formal education upto a certain > level a definitive standard > is > > expected of us. > > > > If all this sounds discouraging, then God save us. > We do not deserve to > get > > any better reception in society than we get > presently. In fact, we must > > always aim higher. I am not at all talking all > this from a pedestal but > > would be really ashamed if I am not able to > maintain a certain standard of > > language capabilities after a certain level of > education. Let us not be > > apologetic of our mistakes but learn whenever we > can and from wherever we > > can. I think the list is for healthy discussion > in a way that is > > comfortable and comprehensible. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > > > > > > Only good written and spoken language is not > quite enough to prove that > > > you > > > are a gentleman or a person with good > understanding. If we talk about > > > mistakes, then why to focus on language only, > why not to take other part > > > of > > > our mistakes. I simply mean, are we not > committing any mistake by > > > discussing > > > this off topic on the list? You rightly said: We > are not English > teachers > > > and I would also like to add in favor of your > statement that even taking > > > such language classes are perhaps not allowed > here! > > > I think improving language skills is secondary > matter but concentrating > > > towards betterment of attitude and civilization > on priority bases is > most > > > necessary for some of our members. Secondly, I > too didn't like the way > of > > > some people of providing solution to other in a > most discouraging > > > expression. One is need to be very careful and > encouraging while making > > > other understand. Encouraging other for their > good is a moral duty of > > > every > > > human being but the way should not be that > insulting. > > > If we are really serious in making other people > fine in every aspect, > then > > > we don't need to let other feel shy or > humiliated, we need to let them > > > feel > > > comfortable and confident. > > > We have started discussing this matter like nun > of us had any relevant > > > subject to discuss here! I think Mr. Gobind or > any member could be > > > suggested > > > at his personal ID with some better way. > > > Dear Gobind, You don't need to be apologized, > there is nothing that you > > > feel sorry for any mistake. We all are here to > learn and provide the > right > > > solution. No one is deputed here to observe the > language mistakes. If we > > > understand the problem or matter by his or her > expression, we are simply > > > expected to respond just that query in spite of > making an issue. A > person > > > can learn well in a friendly and good > environment. So friends, please > > > teach > > > and let other have an opportunity to learn > English or whatever but first > > > create an atmosphere in order to fulfill the > aims. > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Amit Bhatt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > > > > > > > >> I think that Improvisation should be the goal > for us in terms of our > > >> language skills. However one should bear in > mind that none of us are > > >> native English speakers and henceforth we > should be very careful > > >> wwhile evaluating others and after all, we are > not English teachers > > >> here on the list and I am a bit unhappy about > the big brother > > >> attitude. I am also a bit dessatisfied in such > comments about other's > > >> poor communicative skills. Having said that I > leave any further > > >> comment on this topic to the moderators. But > just a word before I > > >> sign-off on this topic and it goes out to those > with poor > > >> communicative skills. Hey guise, you have > nothing to loose. If I would > > >> have taken such dominating attitude seriously, > then I would not have > > >> been where I am today. Therefore you have > nothing to loose but to gain > > >> your self confidence. > > >> > > >> Vetri. > > >> > > >> On 09/02/2008, Abdul Razique > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > I totally agree with Shadab bhai. > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Shadab Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > To: <[email protected]> > > >> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:35 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Writing style is something which cannot be > changed as it reflects > our > > >> > > nature - so I presume the subject for this > discussion should be > "Mind > > >> > > your language" or if this sounds offensive > then "Check your > language" > > >> > > to begin with. > > >> > > > > >> > > Well, I would say that there is no need > telling others to write > > >> > > correct grammar here because the chief > motive of this list is to > > >> > > solve > > >> > > the problems of blinds and not to promote > good language skills - > > >> > > however, to my amazement, I have seen folks > joining with poor > > >> > > language > > >> > > and soon bringing a remarkable refinement > in their language by > > >> > > reading > > >> > > and writing here. Would it not be hobbling > for them if we > discourage > > >> > > them from the very outset by such > insensitive comments? Tell me. > > >> > > > > >> > > It is plain common sense that nobody will > make a dork of himself by > > >> > > intentionally making a blunder before such > a great number of > members. > > >> > > We should not send out such discouraging > comments because they > might > > >> > > suppress many bright futures beneath > bashfulness. > > >> > > > > >> > > I will simply add logic prevails and this > Mr Subramani would be > well > > >> > > knowing as he would have edited many great > thinkers with poor > > >> > > language. So there is no need caring a gory > toss for English > grammar > > >> > > here. Cracking such books and quickly > dashing it off has always > been > > >> > > a > > >> > > damn fun for me - try, you might enjoy it. > > >> > > > > >> > > Dear Govind, > > >> > > > > >> > > Congratulations. I presume in future your > best selling point will > be > > >> > > your courage of frankly expressing > yourself. Get on with the life - > > >> > > it > > >> > > has a habit of welcoming the encouraged > ones. > > >> > > > > >> > > Friends, I was not writing on this topic - > but I did want to > > >> > > encourage > > >> > > the members who do not have a good English > background like me and > > >> > > therefore might refrain from posting on the > list. This was the only > > >> > > reason why I was bound - pardon me if I > hurt anybody. I do not > > >> > > promise > > >> > > responding on this as I am very busy these > days - so I send my best > > >> > > wishes to everybody, with undying hopes and > encouraging regards, > > >> > > Shadab Husain > > >> > > > > >> > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > >> > > > > >> > > To change your subscription to digest mode > or make any other > changes, > > >> > > please visit the list home page at > > >> > > > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > >> > > > > >> > > __________ Information from ESET Smart > Security, version of virus > > >> > > signature database 2861 (20080209) > __________ > > >> > > > > >> > > The message was checked by ESET Smart > Security. > > >> > > > > >> > > http://www.eset.com > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with > > >> > the subject unsubscribe. > > >> > > > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or > make any other changes, > > > please > > >> > visit the list home page at > > >> > > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > >> > > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > >> > > >> To change your subscription to digest mode or > make any other changes, > > > please visit the list home page at > > >> > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or > make any other changes, > > > please visit the list home page at > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make > any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make > any other changes, please visit the list home page > at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > Wael Zakareya http://blindPlus.wordpress.com http://blindPlus.blogspot.com http://www.NGOEgypt.com skype: m0100649426 msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] google: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: 0100649426 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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