my earlier comment ought not to have been construed in general terms but applying only to the mail to which it formed a direct reply, for it, despite my best efforts conveyed meaning which may, by no stretch of imagination, form the subject matter of this list's focus. To read off-topic mails, that too in such a twisted language!!!!!!!
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ravi Paul Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style Hai people, I must first admit that I never knew that we need great english to be a member of this list. I truely On 2/14/08, Rajesh Asudani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > please scrape out rubbish!!!!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Khem chand > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > hello good after non and happy well in times day forall access india's teem > i will be vary aknodge > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Viraj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > > > Hi, > > > > Please note that nowhere in its guidelines this list emphasises on any > > particular standard of language to be maintained. Besides, people joining > > this list are of various educational levels and background. To expect from > > all of us to use a perfectly refined English, therefore, does not appear > > justified. True, one must always improve. But one must not make a regid > > distinction in terms of being higher or lower in terms of one's language > > skills. As Ved Prakash sir said, one can always ask for clarifications if > > things do not sound clear. I would add that there seems no problem if one > > suggests someone to improve his/her language skills. But I see no reasons > > to > > get "appalled", nor do we should behave to someone as if one has committed > > some crime. > > > > You haven't named anyone. But it is more than obvious that you reacted to > > Govind's introductory mail. The mistakes he made by no means barred us > > from > > understanding what he want to say or request. Having a career of a voice > > and > > accent trainer (or any career for that matter) ahead, he will have to do a > > lot of hard work, true. But for no good reason should he take his > > achievements so far as a matter of "shame". > > > > What appears appalling to me is the way someone has to apologise for once > > communication method, even when that method, albeit a bit odd in terms of > > grammar and syntax, was sufficient enough to convey his ideas. Let this > > list > > not be a place restricted only for perfect English speakers/writers, but > > the > > one in which we all, regardless of our communication skills, can exchange > > our ideas, views and knowledge on the topics meant to be discussed here. > > > > Regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ketan Kothari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > > > > >>I do not understand what your problem is, Amit. If people feel insulted > >> then all the more they would try to improve. And, remember, I have not > >> named anyone. I still maintain what I wrote the other day and shall > >> continue to do so. If I am coming across as offensive the moderator is > >> free > >> to ban me. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > >> > >> > >>> Dear Ketan, > >>> Nobody would like to differ with the thought that one must always try to > >>> improve his language skills and I Am happy to know that you want let > >>> others > >>> to enhance their abilities and skills but see, from psychological point > >>> of > >>> view, I seriously doubt whether everyone will be that much of mentally > >>> strong enough to be advised in front of over 400 members. Specially when > >>> we > >>> write like: "If you expect to become voice and accent trainer and this > >>> is > >>> the language you use then ... God may help you. The spelling and > >>> grammar > >>> errors in the mails are just shocking." > >>> My only concern is that why we need to give our comment with such > >>> statements > >>> between the public while we endeavor to make someone correct. > >>> And then I Am also not sure whether use of words like "great shame" will > >>> encourage and help someone enriching his skills. > >>> Giving the right direction is indeed in our favor but making such > >>> statement > >>> in public seems to me like surplus to the requirements. > >>> "Appreciate in public and criticize in private." I think this principal > >>> should be followed when we want a person to work towards improvisation > >>> of > >>> any skill. > >>> Moreover, this is not a language development forum. I never ever said > >>> that > >>> enhancement of our skills is not required but I just wanted to convey > >>> the > >>> right way to make someone understand on the group of the people. > >>> Please do not take me otherwise. These are my own views and thoughts > >>> and > >>> have no intention to go against you or anyone else. > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Amit Bhatt > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Ketan Kothari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:50 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > >>> > >>> > >>>> I am distressed to write again. I feel that we have decided to be the > >>>> second best at all times. My humble submission is that we must aim at > >>> being > >>>> the best as far as possible. In fact, only because we are not native > >>>> speakers of English we need to take special care. Also, when we claim > >>>> to > >>>> have acquired formal education upto a certain level a definitive > >>>> standard > >>> is > >>>> expected of us. > >>>> > >>>> If all this sounds discouraging, then God save us. We do not deserve > >>>> to > >>> get > >>>> any better reception in society than we get presently. In fact, we > >>>> must > >>>> always aim higher. I am not at all talking all this from a pedestal > >>>> but > >>>> would be really ashamed if I am not able to maintain a certain standard > >>>> of > >>>> language capabilities after a certain level of education. Let us not > >>>> be > >>>> apologetic of our mistakes but learn whenever we can and from wherever > >>>> we > >>>> can. I think the list is for healthy discussion in a way that is > >>>> comfortable and comprehensible. > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:12 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Only good written and spoken language is not quite enough to prove > >>>> > that > >>>> > you > >>>> > are a gentleman or a person with good understanding. If we talk about > >>>> > mistakes, then why to focus on language only, why not to take other > >>>> > part > >>>> > of > >>>> > our mistakes. I simply mean, are we not committing any mistake by > >>>> > discussing > >>>> > this off topic on the list? You rightly said: We are not English > >>> teachers > >>>> > and I would also like to add in favor of your statement that even > >>>> > taking > >>>> > such language classes are perhaps not allowed here! > >>>> > I think improving language skills is secondary matter but > >>>> > concentrating > >>>> > towards betterment of attitude and civilization on priority bases is > >>> most > >>>> > necessary for some of our members. Secondly, I too didn't like the > >>>> > way > >>> of > >>>> > some people of providing solution to other in a most discouraging > >>>> > expression. One is need to be very careful and encouraging while > >>>> > making > >>>> > other understand. Encouraging other for their good is a moral duty of > >>>> > every > >>>> > human being but the way should not be that insulting. > >>>> > If we are really serious in making other people fine in every aspect, > >>> then > >>>> > we don't need to let other feel shy or humiliated, we need to let > >>>> > them > >>>> > feel > >>>> > comfortable and confident. > >>>> > We have started discussing this matter like nun of us had any > >>>> > relevant > >>>> > subject to discuss here! I think Mr. Gobind or any member could be > >>>> > suggested > >>>> > at his personal ID with some better way. > >>>> > Dear Gobind, You don't need to be apologized, there is nothing that > >>>> > you > >>>> > feel sorry for any mistake. We all are here to learn and provide the > >>> right > >>>> > solution. No one is deputed here to observe the language mistakes. If > >>>> > we > >>>> > understand the problem or matter by his or her expression, we are > >>>> > simply > >>>> > expected to respond just that query in spite of making an issue. A > >>> person > >>>> > can learn well in a friendly and good environment. So friends, please > >>>> > teach > >>>> > and let other have an opportunity to learn English or whatever but > >>>> > first > >>>> > create an atmosphere in order to fulfill the aims. > >>>> > Thanks, > >>>> > > >>>> > Amit Bhatt > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > To: <[email protected]> > >>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:13 AM > >>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >> I think that Improvisation should be the goal for us in terms of our > >>>> >> language skills. However one should bear in mind that none of us are > >>>> >> native English speakers and henceforth we should be very careful > >>>> >> wwhile evaluating others and after all, we are not English teachers > >>>> >> here on the list and I am a bit unhappy about the big brother > >>>> >> attitude. I am also a bit dessatisfied in such comments about > >>>> >> other's > >>>> >> poor communicative skills. Having said that I leave any further > >>>> >> comment on this topic to the moderators. But just a word before I > >>>> >> sign-off on this topic and it goes out to those with poor > >>>> >> communicative skills. Hey guise, you have nothing to loose. If I > >>>> >> would > >>>> >> have taken such dominating attitude seriously, then I would not have > >>>> >> been where I am today. Therefore you have nothing to loose but to > >>>> >> gain > >>>> >> your self confidence. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Vetri. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On 09/02/2008, Abdul Razique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> >> > I totally agree with Shadab bhai. > >>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> >> > From: "Shadab Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> >> > To: <[email protected]> > >>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:35 PM > >>>> >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Writing style is something which cannot be changed as it > >>>> >> > > reflects > >>> our > >>>> >> > > nature - so I presume the subject for this discussion should be > >>> "Mind > >>>> >> > > your language" or if this sounds offensive then "Check your > >>> language" > >>>> >> > > to begin with. > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > Well, I would say that there is no need telling others to write > >>>> >> > > correct grammar here because the chief motive of this list is to > >>>> >> > > solve > >>>> >> > > the problems of blinds and not to promote good language skills - > >>>> >> > > however, to my amazement, I have seen folks joining with poor > >>>> >> > > language > >>>> >> > > and soon bringing a remarkable refinement in their language by > >>>> >> > > reading > >>>> >> > > and writing here. Would it not be hobbling for them if we > >>> discourage > >>>> >> > > them from the very outset by such insensitive comments? Tell me. > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > It is plain common sense that nobody will make a dork of himself > >>>> >> > > by > >>>> >> > > intentionally making a blunder before such a great number of > >>> members. > >>>> >> > > We should not send out such discouraging comments because they > >>> might > >>>> >> > > suppress many bright futures beneath bashfulness. > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > I will simply add logic prevails and this Mr Subramani would be > >>> well > >>>> >> > > knowing as he would have edited many great thinkers with poor > >>>> >> > > language. So there is no need caring a gory toss for English > >>> grammar > >>>> >> > > here. Cracking such books and quickly dashing it off has always > >>> been > >>>> >> > > a > >>>> >> > > damn fun for me - try, you might enjoy it. > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > Dear Govind, > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > Congratulations. I presume in future your best selling point > >>>> >> > > will > >>> be > >>>> >> > > your courage of frankly expressing yourself. Get on with the > >>>> >> > > life - > >>>> >> > > it > >>>> >> > > has a habit of welcoming the encouraged ones. > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > Friends, I was not writing on this topic - but I did want to > >>>> >> > > encourage > >>>> >> > > the members who do not have a good English background like me > >>>> >> > > and > >>>> >> > > therefore might refrain from posting on the list. This was the > >>>> >> > > only > >>>> >> > > reason why I was bound - pardon me if I hurt anybody. 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