Hai people, I first of all learnt that we should have high standard of english to be a member of this list.
While I realise that one needs to communicate clearly, I didn't realise that one would be appalled if a person would commit a mistake. I never knew people would be so discouraging about other's language while calling for a change in the standard of language them self. I think the simple sollution for the language problem is that those who can understand the language should reply and those who cant, should restrain from answering. regards, Ravi Paul On 2/14/08, Ravi Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hai people, > I must first admit that I never knew that we need great english to be > a member of this list. > > I truely > > > On 2/14/08, Rajesh Asudani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > please scrape out rubbish!!!!! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Khem chand > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:04 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > > > hello good after non and happy well in times day forall access india's > teem > > i will be vary aknodge > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Viraj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Please note that nowhere in its guidelines this list emphasises on any > > > particular standard of language to be maintained. Besides, people > joining > > > this list are of various educational levels and background. To expect > from > > > all of us to use a perfectly refined English, therefore, does not appear > > > justified. True, one must always improve. But one must not make a regid > > > distinction in terms of being higher or lower in terms of one's language > > > skills. As Ved Prakash sir said, one can always ask for clarifications > if > > > things do not sound clear. I would add that there seems no problem if > one > > > suggests someone to improve his/her language skills. But I see no > reasons > > > to > > > get "appalled", nor do we should behave to someone as if one has > committed > > > some crime. > > > > > > You haven't named anyone. But it is more than obvious that you reacted > to > > > Govind's introductory mail. The mistakes he made by no means barred us > > > from > > > understanding what he want to say or request. Having a career of a voice > > > and > > > accent trainer (or any career for that matter) ahead, he will have to do > a > > > lot of hard work, true. But for no good reason should he take his > > > achievements so far as a matter of "shame". > > > > > > What appears appalling to me is the way someone has to apologise for > once > > > communication method, even when that method, albeit a bit odd in terms > of > > > grammar and syntax, was sufficient enough to convey his ideas. Let this > > > list > > > not be a place restricted only for perfect English speakers/writers, but > > > the > > > one in which we all, regardless of our communication skills, can > exchange > > > our ideas, views and knowledge on the topics meant to be discussed here. > > > > > > Regards. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ketan Kothari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > > > > > > > >>I do not understand what your problem is, Amit. If people feel insulted > > >> then all the more they would try to improve. And, remember, I have not > > >> named anyone. I still maintain what I wrote the other day and shall > > >> continue to do so. If I am coming across as offensive the moderator is > > >> free > > >> to ban me. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > >> > > >> > > >>> Dear Ketan, > > >>> Nobody would like to differ with the thought that one must always try > to > > >>> improve his language skills and I Am happy to know that you want let > > >>> others > > >>> to enhance their abilities and skills but see, from psychological > point > > >>> of > > >>> view, I seriously doubt whether everyone will be that much of mentally > > >>> strong enough to be advised in front of over 400 members. Specially > when > > >>> we > > >>> write like: "If you expect to become voice and accent trainer and this > > >>> is > > >>> the language you use then ... God may help you. The spelling and > > >>> grammar > > >>> errors in the mails are just shocking." > > >>> My only concern is that why we need to give our comment with such > > >>> statements > > >>> between the public while we endeavor to make someone correct. > > >>> And then I Am also not sure whether use of words like "great shame" > will > > >>> encourage and help someone enriching his skills. > > >>> Giving the right direction is indeed in our favor but making such > > >>> statement > > >>> in public seems to me like surplus to the requirements. > > >>> "Appreciate in public and criticize in private." I think this > principal > > >>> should be followed when we want a person to work towards improvisation > > >>> of > > >>> any skill. > > >>> Moreover, this is not a language development forum. I never ever said > > >>> that > > >>> enhancement of our skills is not required but I just wanted to convey > > >>> the > > >>> right way to make someone understand on the group of the people. > > >>> Please do not take me otherwise. These are my own views and thoughts > > >>> and > > >>> have no intention to go against you or anyone else. > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Amit Bhatt > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Ketan Kothari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> To: <[email protected]> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:50 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> I am distressed to write again. I feel that we have decided to be > the > > >>>> second best at all times. My humble submission is that we must aim > at > > >>> being > > >>>> the best as far as possible. In fact, only because we are not native > > >>>> speakers of English we need to take special care. Also, when we > claim > > >>>> to > > >>>> have acquired formal education upto a certain level a definitive > > >>>> standard > > >>> is > > >>>> expected of us. > > >>>> > > >>>> If all this sounds discouraging, then God save us. We do not deserve > > >>>> to > > >>> get > > >>>> any better reception in society than we get presently. In fact, we > > >>>> must > > >>>> always aim higher. I am not at all talking all this from a pedestal > > >>>> but > > >>>> would be really ashamed if I am not able to maintain a certain > standard > > >>>> of > > >>>> language capabilities after a certain level of education. Let us not > > >>>> be > > >>>> apologetic of our mistakes but learn whenever we can and from > wherever > > >>>> we > > >>>> can. I think the list is for healthy discussion in a way that is > > >>>> comfortable and comprehensible. > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:12 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > Only good written and spoken language is not quite enough to prove > > >>>> > that > > >>>> > you > > >>>> > are a gentleman or a person with good understanding. If we talk > about > > >>>> > mistakes, then why to focus on language only, why not to take other > > >>>> > part > > >>>> > of > > >>>> > our mistakes. I simply mean, are we not committing any mistake by > > >>>> > discussing > > >>>> > this off topic on the list? You rightly said: We are not English > > >>> teachers > > >>>> > and I would also like to add in favor of your statement that even > > >>>> > taking > > >>>> > such language classes are perhaps not allowed here! > > >>>> > I think improving language skills is secondary matter but > > >>>> > concentrating > > >>>> > towards betterment of attitude and civilization on priority bases > is > > >>> most > > >>>> > necessary for some of our members. Secondly, I too didn't like the > > >>>> > way > > >>> of > > >>>> > some people of providing solution to other in a most discouraging > > >>>> > expression. One is need to be very careful and encouraging while > > >>>> > making > > >>>> > other understand. Encouraging other for their good is a moral duty > of > > >>>> > every > > >>>> > human being but the way should not be that insulting. > > >>>> > If we are really serious in making other people fine in every > aspect, > > >>> then > > >>>> > we don't need to let other feel shy or humiliated, we need to let > > >>>> > them > > >>>> > feel > > >>>> > comfortable and confident. > > >>>> > We have started discussing this matter like nun of us had any > > >>>> > relevant > > >>>> > subject to discuss here! I think Mr. Gobind or any member could be > > >>>> > suggested > > >>>> > at his personal ID with some better way. > > >>>> > Dear Gobind, You don't need to be apologized, there is nothing that > > >>>> > you > > >>>> > feel sorry for any mistake. We all are here to learn and provide > the > > >>> right > > >>>> > solution. No one is deputed here to observe the language mistakes. > If > > >>>> > we > > >>>> > understand the problem or matter by his or her expression, we are > > >>>> > simply > > >>>> > expected to respond just that query in spite of making an issue. A > > >>> person > > >>>> > can learn well in a friendly and good environment. So friends, > please > > >>>> > teach > > >>>> > and let other have an opportunity to learn English or whatever but > > >>>> > first > > >>>> > create an atmosphere in order to fulfill the aims. > > >>>> > Thanks, > > >>>> > > > >>>> > Amit Bhatt > > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> > To: <[email protected]> > > >>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:13 AM > > >>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> >> I think that Improvisation should be the goal for us in terms of > our > > >>>> >> language skills. However one should bear in mind that none of us > are > > >>>> >> native English speakers and henceforth we should be very careful > > >>>> >> wwhile evaluating others and after all, we are not English > teachers > > >>>> >> here on the list and I am a bit unhappy about the big brother > > >>>> >> attitude. I am also a bit dessatisfied in such comments about > > >>>> >> other's > > >>>> >> poor communicative skills. Having said that I leave any further > > >>>> >> comment on this topic to the moderators. But just a word before I > > >>>> >> sign-off on this topic and it goes out to those with poor > > >>>> >> communicative skills. Hey guise, you have nothing to loose. If I > > >>>> >> would > > >>>> >> have taken such dominating attitude seriously, then I would not > have > > >>>> >> been where I am today. Therefore you have nothing to loose but to > > >>>> >> gain > > >>>> >> your self confidence. > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> Vetri. > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> On 09/02/2008, Abdul Razique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>> >> > I totally agree with Shadab bhai. > > >>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> >> > From: "Shadab Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> >> > To: <[email protected]> > > >>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:35 PM > > >>>> >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > Writing style is something which cannot be changed as it > > >>>> >> > > reflects > > >>> our > > >>>> >> > > nature - so I presume the subject for this discussion should > be > > >>> "Mind > > >>>> >> > > your language" or if this sounds offensive then "Check your > > >>> language" > > >>>> >> > > to begin with. > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > Well, I would say that there is no need telling others to > write > > >>>> >> > > correct grammar here because the chief motive of this list is > to > > >>>> >> > > solve > > >>>> >> > > the problems of blinds and not to promote good language skills > - > > >>>> >> > > however, to my amazement, I have seen folks joining with poor > > >>>> >> > > language > > >>>> >> > > and soon bringing a remarkable refinement in their language by > > >>>> >> > > reading > > >>>> >> > > and writing here. Would it not be hobbling for them if we > > >>> discourage > > >>>> >> > > them from the very outset by such insensitive comments? Tell > me. > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > It is plain common sense that nobody will make a dork of > himself > > >>>> >> > > by > > >>>> >> > > intentionally making a blunder before such a great number of > > >>> members. > > >>>> >> > > We should not send out such discouraging comments because they > > >>> might > > >>>> >> > > suppress many bright futures beneath bashfulness. > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > I will simply add logic prevails and this Mr Subramani would > be > > >>> well > > >>>> >> > > knowing as he would have edited many great thinkers with poor > > >>>> >> > > language. So there is no need caring a gory toss for English > > >>> grammar > > >>>> >> > > here. Cracking such books and quickly dashing it off has > always > > >>> been > > >>>> >> > > a > > >>>> >> > > damn fun for me - try, you might enjoy it. > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > Dear Govind, > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > Congratulations. I presume in future your best selling point > > >>>> >> > > will > > >>> be > > >>>> >> > > your courage of frankly expressing yourself. Get on with the > > >>>> >> > > life - > > >>>> >> > > it > > >>>> >> > > has a habit of welcoming the encouraged ones. > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > Friends, I was not writing on this topic - but I did want to > > >>>> >> > > encourage > > >>>> >> > > the members who do not have a good English background like me > > >>>> >> > > and > > >>>> >> > > therefore might refrain from posting on the list. This was the > > >>>> >> > > only > > >>>> >> > > reason why I was bound - pardon me if I hurt anybody. 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