I do not understand what your problem is, Amit. If people feel insulted then all the more they would try to improve. And, remember, I have not named anyone. I still maintain what I wrote the other day and shall continue to do so. If I am coming across as offensive the moderator is free to ban me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style
> Dear Ketan, > Nobody would like to differ with the thought that one must always try to > improve his language skills and I Am happy to know that you want let > others > to enhance their abilities and skills but see, from psychological point of > view, I seriously doubt whether everyone will be that much of mentally > strong enough to be advised in front of over 400 members. Specially when > we > write like: "If you expect to become voice and accent trainer and this is > the language you use then ... God may help you. The spelling and grammar > errors in the mails are just shocking." > My only concern is that why we need to give our comment with such > statements > between the public while we endeavor to make someone correct. > And then I Am also not sure whether use of words like "great shame" will > encourage and help someone enriching his skills. > Giving the right direction is indeed in our favor but making such > statement > in public seems to me like surplus to the requirements. > "Appreciate in public and criticize in private." I think this principal > should be followed when we want a person to work towards improvisation of > any skill. > Moreover, this is not a language development forum. I never ever said that > enhancement of our skills is not required but I just wanted to convey the > right way to make someone understand on the group of the people. > Please do not take me otherwise. These are my own views and thoughts and > have no intention to go against you or anyone else. > Thanks, > > Amit Bhatt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ketan Kothari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > >> I am distressed to write again. I feel that we have decided to be the >> second best at all times. My humble submission is that we must aim at > being >> the best as far as possible. In fact, only because we are not native >> speakers of English we need to take special care. Also, when we claim to >> have acquired formal education upto a certain level a definitive standard > is >> expected of us. >> >> If all this sounds discouraging, then God save us. We do not deserve to > get >> any better reception in society than we get presently. In fact, we must >> always aim higher. I am not at all talking all this from a pedestal but >> would be really ashamed if I am not able to maintain a certain standard >> of >> language capabilities after a certain level of education. Let us not be >> apologetic of our mistakes but learn whenever we can and from wherever we >> can. I think the list is for healthy discussion in a way that is >> comfortable and comprehensible. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style >> >> >> > Only good written and spoken language is not quite enough to prove that >> > you >> > are a gentleman or a person with good understanding. If we talk about >> > mistakes, then why to focus on language only, why not to take other >> > part >> > of >> > our mistakes. I simply mean, are we not committing any mistake by >> > discussing >> > this off topic on the list? You rightly said: We are not English > teachers >> > and I would also like to add in favor of your statement that even >> > taking >> > such language classes are perhaps not allowed here! >> > I think improving language skills is secondary matter but concentrating >> > towards betterment of attitude and civilization on priority bases is > most >> > necessary for some of our members. Secondly, I too didn't like the way > of >> > some people of providing solution to other in a most discouraging >> > expression. One is need to be very careful and encouraging while making >> > other understand. Encouraging other for their good is a moral duty of >> > every >> > human being but the way should not be that insulting. >> > If we are really serious in making other people fine in every aspect, > then >> > we don't need to let other feel shy or humiliated, we need to let them >> > feel >> > comfortable and confident. >> > We have started discussing this matter like nun of us had any relevant >> > subject to discuss here! I think Mr. Gobind or any member could be >> > suggested >> > at his personal ID with some better way. >> > Dear Gobind, You don't need to be apologized, there is nothing that you >> > feel sorry for any mistake. We all are here to learn and provide the > right >> > solution. No one is deputed here to observe the language mistakes. If >> > we >> > understand the problem or matter by his or her expression, we are >> > simply >> > expected to respond just that query in spite of making an issue. A > person >> > can learn well in a friendly and good environment. So friends, please >> > teach >> > and let other have an opportunity to learn English or whatever but >> > first >> > create an atmosphere in order to fulfill the aims. >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Amit Bhatt >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:13 AM >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style >> > >> > >> >> I think that Improvisation should be the goal for us in terms of our >> >> language skills. However one should bear in mind that none of us are >> >> native English speakers and henceforth we should be very careful >> >> wwhile evaluating others and after all, we are not English teachers >> >> here on the list and I am a bit unhappy about the big brother >> >> attitude. I am also a bit dessatisfied in such comments about other's >> >> poor communicative skills. Having said that I leave any further >> >> comment on this topic to the moderators. But just a word before I >> >> sign-off on this topic and it goes out to those with poor >> >> communicative skills. Hey guise, you have nothing to loose. If I would >> >> have taken such dominating attitude seriously, then I would not have >> >> been where I am today. Therefore you have nothing to loose but to gain >> >> your self confidence. >> >> >> >> Vetri. >> >> >> >> On 09/02/2008, Abdul Razique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > I totally agree with Shadab bhai. >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Shadab Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:35 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Writing style is something which cannot be changed as it reflects > our >> >> > > nature - so I presume the subject for this discussion should be > "Mind >> >> > > your language" or if this sounds offensive then "Check your > language" >> >> > > to begin with. >> >> > > >> >> > > Well, I would say that there is no need telling others to write >> >> > > correct grammar here because the chief motive of this list is to >> >> > > solve >> >> > > the problems of blinds and not to promote good language skills - >> >> > > however, to my amazement, I have seen folks joining with poor >> >> > > language >> >> > > and soon bringing a remarkable refinement in their language by >> >> > > reading >> >> > > and writing here. Would it not be hobbling for them if we > discourage >> >> > > them from the very outset by such insensitive comments? Tell me. >> >> > > >> >> > > It is plain common sense that nobody will make a dork of himself >> >> > > by >> >> > > intentionally making a blunder before such a great number of > members. >> >> > > We should not send out such discouraging comments because they > might >> >> > > suppress many bright futures beneath bashfulness. >> >> > > >> >> > > I will simply add logic prevails and this Mr Subramani would be > well >> >> > > knowing as he would have edited many great thinkers with poor >> >> > > language. So there is no need caring a gory toss for English > grammar >> >> > > here. Cracking such books and quickly dashing it off has always > been >> >> > > a >> >> > > damn fun for me - try, you might enjoy it. >> >> > > >> >> > > Dear Govind, >> >> > > >> >> > > Congratulations. I presume in future your best selling point will > be >> >> > > your courage of frankly expressing yourself. Get on with the >> >> > > life - >> >> > > it >> >> > > has a habit of welcoming the encouraged ones. >> >> > > >> >> > > Friends, I was not writing on this topic - but I did want to >> >> > > encourage >> >> > > the members who do not have a good English background like me and >> >> > > therefore might refrain from posting on the list. This was the >> >> > > only >> >> > > reason why I was bound - pardon me if I hurt anybody. I do not >> >> > > promise >> >> > > responding on this as I am very busy these days - so I send my >> >> > > best >> >> > > wishes to everybody, with undying hopes and encouraging regards, >> >> > > Shadab Husain >> >> > > >> >> > > To unsubscribe send a message to >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> > > >> >> > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >> >> > > please visit the list home page at >> >> > > >> > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > >> >> > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> >> > > signature database 2861 (20080209) __________ >> >> > > >> >> > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> > > >> >> > > http://www.eset.com >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with >> >> > the subject unsubscribe. >> >> > >> >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >> >> > changes, >> > please >> >> > visit the list home page at >> >> > >> > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> >> >> > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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