I would not like to jump in to this controversy. Just a clarification that you should differentiate between pornographic material and scientific treatise on sex and related issues, such as KamaSutra. The below mail seem to be doing what so many fascist powers are trying to do: linking these two to oppose sex education in schools. Pornography is more about like how X had sex with his daughter or his son or anybody and anything for that matter. The language used in porns is hardly used in schools and colleges. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mahesh Panicker" <maheshspanic...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir


a highly controversial question indeed.
as expected there are people with different views on the matter. I believe
the question as such does come broadly under issues of accessibility.
I can understand the arguements against this on the basis of too much of
things for the list to handil and therefor the possibility of losing focus.
but culture, Indian culture, well that is all together a different issue.
ones morality, values are all shaped in the context in which one is brought up. that is different for different people. but the moment one says that his
or her values are higher than that of some one else, then that is big
trouble. in fact, that is the language of fascism. I certainly don't think
access India is the forum for moral policing by any means. anybody have the
freedom to access or not access pornographic materials, but I believe any
questions on the matter should not be restricted on the basis of a culture
based arguement, as that might end up supporting those elemends in the
society, who are against tolerence and inclusivity. olso one must remember
in this context, 'Kamasutra' was not authered by an American or a Europian,
but by Vatsyayana, the great Indian sage.
so on the basis of focus OK, but please, not that cultural thing.


On 3/13/09, harish <har...@accessindia.org.in> wrote:

Hi all
Yes, there are 2 groups on yahoogroups which may allow discussion of
romance and sexuality.

Regarding outright porn talk, you may have to seek clarification from the
respective moderator.
The 2 lists which I am  refering are:
1 dreamromance
2 sayeverything

There would be more lists internationally and one can make a search on
Yahoogroups orat google.
.


I have followed the points from other members both for and against.

However, I am not convinced why should AccessIndia take it up when there
are other active groups catering to this requirement or so called need.

Delibrate folks, rationally and don't get personal. I opened this thread
for healthy discussion and not to settle scores.

Harish

----- Original Message ----- From: "mahendra" <gal...@chello.at>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir


i am glad, we can talk on this matter, i fully support Rajesh's view.
Harish are there such email groups? if yes, please Harish or members share
them.
At 07:54 AM 3/13/2009, you wrote:

Dear Rajesh and others

Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused
and on rails.

Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let us
not tred on their shoes.

I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters.

Harish.

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a
certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of
threat.
I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for
visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within
bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually
colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss
anything illegal.
However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and
what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow.
Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks.
Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise.
Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all,
is the hallmark of accessibility.
And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial
jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of
community, working and teaching in reputed institutions.
A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs
of all human kind.
rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders
humans brute many a times.
Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is
commendable.
On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have
bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue
which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners
like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about
accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least.
I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to
do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its
theme.
As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in
comprehending the social life about us.
I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half
ago.
Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in
all fields.
Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not
constrict it further by man made objections.
Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be
discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and
discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora.
Regards

Rajesh



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