Dear Friend,
Our eyes may appear similar to the eyes of sighted people but the white cane
we carry tells the world that we are blind. Refusing to mention our
disability on the census form does not hide our blindness but tells the
sighted world that we are uneasy about our blindness, that we are
uncomfortable with it.
About the photograph, the photograph's main purpose is not to show whether a
person is disabled or not but just to provide an easily recognisable proof
of identity.
And refusing to mention blindness on the census form & still demanding a
separate disability card smacks of hypocrisy. It tells the society at large
that we are unlike them & are ashamed of the difference & choose to hide it.
I would like all blind & disabled friends to mention the fact of disability
on the census forms so that accurate data on disability can be gathered.
Also, remember that the census data will be used to create the National
Population Registry which is expected to form the backbone of the Unique
Identity Card. Refusing to mention disability in the census could result in
the disability not being mentioned in the Unique Identity card & excluding
you from any concessions provided by government authorities.
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey,
Mumbai, India
----- Original Message -----
From: "jignesh thakur" <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census
Hi,
A Fantastic logic.
I am convinced by the logic. But frankly speaking by so called logic
and lengthy mail it is possible to prove our immature points, and we
can easily prove other people wrong the points of vamshisir expectable
at some extent.
One more thing, there are many visually impaired persons including me
whose eyes are as normal as any sighted person, so the logic of
photograph is simply baseless.
You intelligent people may be right on your stand, but over
enthusiasm will definitely damage us... logic is other thing than
harsh reality. Just keeping highlighted board of disability will not
going to help us in any way.
Really sorry if somebody is hurt.
Thanks.
On 4/18/10, Amar Jain <amarjain2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Well in my view including the disability in no way stops us from
getting what we want.
The views of Rahul bhaiya represents today's bad political situation
in the case of minorities.
Where as the views of few others are that we will be discriminated
just because we are disabled.
There was another view represented by someone that even if we apply
for something and if the 'sensible' persons sitting their to look into
the applications come to know that we are disabled our forms will be
rejected.
I respect everyone's views, and there is nothing wrong in saying what
you want to say.
Well dealing with discrimination, I am unable to understand that just
because it is written on the card that we are disabled how come we
will be discriminated?
If it is a discrimination why we do possess medical certificate?
Before anyone comes up and say that 'boss medical certificate is
required where you specifically want to show that you are disabled and
not in general situations'.
Wav! I am impressed by your intelligence.
Absolutely right. Now when we consider general situations why people
will consider our disability when it is not required to do so?
And even if they do then how they will deny us the basic things after
knowing that we are disabled?
Just tell me, that almost everywhere when we require any facility for
which we have to fill any form, we fix a photograph on the form. Am I
right?
If yes, then if I restrict myself at least to visual impairment then
generally it is clear from your photograph that you have vision
problem. Note my word 'generally'.
Then, are you denied the facilities? Lets take pan card for that matter?
I think no.
So I don't feel that there will be any discrimination. Including
disability on the card will just show that you are disabled. You will
not be discriminated because of that, however people will come to know
that you are disabled then generally you will have their sympethy in
India at least.
That we already do get whenver any person comes to know about our
disability.
The only fact which we need to accept that if someone calls us
disabled or if someone knows that we are disabled then we should not
feel that we are infirior or we are discriminated. Lets accept the
fact. And who stops you from showing your caliver in the society?
Ultimately your performance will take away the sympathetic attitude of
people.
I would also like to say that when we say that including disability
colunm on the card will be the reason of rejecting our application.
Specially demat example was given.
Tell me, that even today we are facing this problem. Today also many a
times our forms get rejected because lack of awareness amongst brokers
etc about the guidelines.
Today also we need to convince them by showing them the guidelines and
our talent of course.
Today also we need to find out that our forms are being rejected. Then
only we can take any step of meeting them etc.
The things which we are doing now from overcoming of these
problems,can be done at that time. UID does not stop us from doing
that.
We are talking about multipurpose eye-card instead of including
disability on UID card.
But if we are to have such card, then why not let it be on UID card
itself?
The best advantage of having this in UID database is that we will not
need to follow another lengthy process of getting multipurpose Icard
and one card will serve all the purposes.
The second advantage of this will be that since disability will be
recognized in UID itself we will not need to do any lengthy
documentations. Which I can presume that will be added in case of
multipurpose card.
**I don't say that don't get multipurpose card so persons working on
that project don't take me in wrong sense**
Still we are faced with many difficulties, which we are overcoming
either by ourselves or by the efforts of experts of our field who give
their sincere efforts to get the guidelines created.
The problem of railway concession the problem of no uniform format in
concessions will be taken away by this card itself.
I think that this UID project will make our task easier instead of
making it difficult.
And I think it is very sensible step to include disability in the card
itself.
And by the way, we are discussing here that we should not include
disability then if all agree that it shouldn't be included, then are
we going to talk with UID authorities who have already taken this
sensible step?
However I don't know that how UID will deal with temporary disableds.
This is not at all counter reply, these are just and just my personal
views. I respect everyone's wisdom.
Regards
Amar Jain.
On 4/18/10, amalesh Kumar <kumar_amal...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
dear all,
disability is neither a sin nor a crime, no point in hiding it, i agree
to
what mr. vamshi says.
regards
kumar amalesh
Asstt. Administrative Officer
LIC
--- On Sun, 18/4/10, Vamshi. G <gvamsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Vamshi. G <gvamsh...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 12:41 PM
Hi,
We all are seeing with how much interest the government is pursuing
any work when it is related exclusively to the disabled. So, I doubt
the possibility of a multipurpose disability card being issued at the
national level.
Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but
disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So,
I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect.
Coming to denial of services,even now, we can't escape from being
discriminated because there has to be a personal interaction for
availing those services. And in the recent past, we've seen some
cases wherein we've been successful in availing these services.
And Rahul sir, correcting you is a far away thing, first let me
understand you, honestly, I didn't get your exact intent when you
emphasised so much on my option of availing benefits. So, please
educate me in that area, either on the list or off the list.
I personally feel having disability on the UID card is one form of
inclusiveness.
--
G. Vamshi
PH Res : +91 877-2243861
Mobile: +91 9949349497
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gvamsh...@gmail.com
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>From darkness unto light
On 4/18/10, jignesh thakur <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir,
In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime.
There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on
the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected
automatically. We live in the country where people have not much
respect for disable person.
My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse
to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my
documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but
when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I
am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application.
How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had
produced disability card at that time the result might have different.
That’s why I am against it.
Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far
better than me. I am just writing my thoughts.
Thanks.
On 4/17/10, rahul cherian <rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com> wrote:
Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste
were
on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like
Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be
easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability
being
one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across
as
me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the
parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of
persons with disabilities.
Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which
you
can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits.
I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please
correct me if I am wrong.
Cheers,
Rahul
On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G <gvamsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me
from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession
certificate, bus travel concession
card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing
the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to
without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would
rather prefer to have it.
--
G. Vamshi
PH Res : +91 877-2243861
Mobile: +91 9949349497
E-mail ID:
gvamsh...@gmail.com
Skype: gvamshi81
www.retinaindia.org
>From darkness unto light
On 4/17/10, rahul cherian <rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com> wrote:
> I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will
> be
> violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I
> am
> against it.
>
> On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik <ashikhir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friend,
>>
>> Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will
>> not
>> have
>> carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an
>> issue
at
>> all.
>>
>> - - -
>> Ashik Hirani
>> Landline phone: 02849-242233
>> Skype: ashikali.hirani
>> I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my
>> necklace.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jignesh thakur" <
>> jigneshthaku...@gmail.com>
>>
>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census
>>
>>
>> Friends,
>> This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid
>> card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer
>> because of the label disable on the card. General information is
>> enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for
>> meaningless sympathy.
>> Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt
>> anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and
>> they know more than me.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On 4/17/10, ashik <ashikhir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed
>>> UID
>>> card.
>>> And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not
include
>>> the
>>> mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that
>>> disability
>>> will
>>> not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper
>>> representation should be maded to the government and we should
pressurize
>>> it
>>> to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card.
>>> - - -
>>> Ashik Hirani
>>> Landline phone: 02849-242233
>>> Skype: ashikali.hirani
>>> I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my
>>> necklace.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dr Jalaja" <jalajakumar...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "accessindia" <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello sir,
>>>> I am also wondering why the list members are
>>>> remaining
>>>> silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen
>>>> after
>>>> completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our
>>>> hands
>>>> nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification
>>>> right
now
>>>> With regards--------Dr.Jalaja
>>>>
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