Dear Geetha Mam,
Thanks for your valuable inputs. This placing finger idea is no doubts very
nice. You even need not to carry signature guide.
May I give you little bit of trouble by asking that from where do you get
this scrabble coign set?
Although it has been almost two years I have visited NAB Saksham or AICB,
but to my knowledge it is not available there. I am not in contact with
anyone from NIVH.
If you can let me know if it is available in India then where, and if it is
not, then from where we can purchase. I would prefer US than UK because
ordering from US will be more easier for me.
Dear bijal dee, will talk to you personally and will learn the tips from
you.
Kartik the great, you have quite a good knowledge on this tactel products,
please see na if we can get this set from somewhere.
Thanks and Regards,
Amar Jain.
-----Original Message-----
From: Geetha Shamanna
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] 'Signatures' Special Formalities for passport?
Hi Amar and all,
There is no easy way to learn to sign except to learn the required alphabets
and practice them until you memorise the patterns. You may want to begin by
purchasing a scrabble set designed for the blind. The scrabble coins are
very tactile and the Alphabets are nicely embossed on them. You can use them
to get familiar with the shapes of letters.
Although signature guides are great, whoever came up with that idea probably
never encountered documents that provide narrow spaces for signature. In
other words, while signing with a signature guide might be easier, it cannot
be used if the document in question provides only a fraction of the space
required by the guide. Since this space varies from document to document, I
use a simple technique to solve this problem.
I ask a sighted person to place the pen on the spot where I need to sign,
hold the pen with my right hand, and then place the middle and index fingers
of my left hand above and below the pen. This way, I form a flexible
signature guide with my two fingers. Depending on the space available, I
increase or decrease the distance between my fingers and the pen, thereby
signing within the designated space.
Geetha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amar Jain" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] 'Signatures' Special Formalities for passport?
First of all, thanks a lot to everyone for the feedback. From what I have
observed, the bottom line is that you must do it in normal way, there is no
such other way to deal with it. However, still looking forward for any ideas
from anyone specially with regard to recognizing shapes.
Dear Rajesh Sir, I will find the art. number, One thing which I for sure
remember, that thumb impressions and signature other than Hindi and English
or whatever is not contained in schedule 8th must be attested by notary or
by gazetted officer or magistrate and should contain official seal etc...
Regards,
Amar Jain.
-----Original Message-----
From: Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] 'Signatures' Special Formalities for passport?
Hi Amar
Good that you have decided to learn signature.
However, I could not appreciate your following remark about thumb
impression:
"This provision of considering persons with thumb impression as illiterate
was enshrined in our constitution at the time of making, which is not wrong
because it gives protections to rural masses, but makes no difference
between the literate and illiterate person."
Will you Please quote the article of constitution in support of this
contention?
Being a law student, I feel we should be able to distinguish between the
constitution and other laws and statutes and use words accordingly.
Rajesh
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] 'Signatures' Special Formalities for passport?
Hello,
No urgency at all. I tried learning signing, using that scale which small
kids use, in which you have letters as blocks and there that much space
you need to move your pen and the letter is made. But again it requires hell
lot of practice and I didn't find this idea of learning shape that useful.
Then I also thought of an option to make one scale of your name itself so
just move the pen in those blocks, and you can sign that. But then it might
be not valid because what if someone steals that scale? Although legally I
think hand writing experts report can be obtained to make it valid in case
of any dispute. But don't know whether I am in right direction or not.
Can you give me any other idea for learning on how to sign?
Somebody also told that on Eyeway radio show there was a mention of some
card board, but he didn't know in detail as to what it was and from where to
get it.
I am totally blind by birth, no idea of shapes of letters, have both plastic
and aluminum signature guides.
I am not going on 15th now, won't be signing that illiteracy declaration for
sure, first of all I will give my 100% effort for learning signature. Now
there will be no otherwise kind of situation to this. If I want passport, I
will learn signature. That's it. By no chance I want to sign any such
illiteracy declaration.
I remember, when I went for opening my bank account, my manager very
politely said "Don't mind, you are pursuing Law, so, why don't you learn
signing the form? I know you are educated, but still it is the thinking,
that if you put thumb impression, it means you are illiterate". Though I
just explained the problem that due to no vision many a times letters differ
bit.
This provision of considering persons with thumb impression as illiterate
was enshrined in our constitution at the time of making, which is not wrong
because it gives protections to rural masses, but makes no difference
between the literate and illiterate person.
I must appreciate CDSL's approach towards this, while opening demat account,
they give instructions to the depository participants to put a remark for we
VI as "Person with visual impairment and thumb impression". This directly or
indirectly shows that they do make distinction between an illiterate and
literate person.
Anyways no doubts, the experience of all accessindians will make my task
easier. So, a kind request from all of you to please share your views on
learning signature on or off the list.
And thanks, for this good and positive approach.
Looking forward for ideas which may help me in my way.
Regards,
Amar Jain.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] Special Formalities for passport?
If you don't need passport urgently, then a suggestion: Why not learn
some kind of signature? It helps tremendasly when you apply for bank
accounts by using passport as a photo ID. Also, there are banks
insisting for signature if you happen to go abroad and try opening an
NRI account.
Vetri.
On 13/10/2010, Rohiet A. Patil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
I made my passport before 1 year approx.
At that time I did not feeled any such application. Just I wrote LHTI i.e.
left hand thumb impration under the every every thumb.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Srikanth Kanuri" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Special Formalities for passport?
hi, unfortunately in our country if we are affixing thumb we have to
get it attested by a notary there will be one declaration form and all
the formalities required will be in the instructions of the physical
form. the authorities insisted me for a gazetted attestation on the
prescribed proforma and further insisted me to sign an illiterate
declaration along with it. notary authorization is compulsion.
hope it helps.
On 10/12/10, Amar Jain <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear All
I have filled up passport application online, and will be going to
passport
office on 15th of Oct. I have seen the website carefully, and have even
spoken with the office. The website as such makes no reference to
disability
or any special formality to be followed except disability certificate,
while
applying for passport, and the office helpdesk people were not sounding
like
very trained people. Therefore, I sincerely request you all to let me
know
that are there any specific formalities to be completed for the
passport?
I use thumb impression, so will I be required to get the form notarized?
I have to go to thane, which will take approx 1.5 hours from where I
stay,
and I will have to change two trains or one train and one bus at least.
Therefore, tell me everything from top to bottom.
Sorry for such an informal mail.
Regards
Amar Jain
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