Rajesh, you may say so!
Reason is that though the Government came out with the UID with much fanfare
however, no sufficient teeth were given to UID by statute to be a unifying
single document for all identity needs. People specially
from marginalized segments who have been facing problems in availing welfare
schemes have placed high hopes on this document. However, it has not
received acceptance & backing from all ministries. Even stakeholders such as
groups of right activists citizen have opposed it tooth and nail on the
grounds of privacy of data and its vulnerability etc.. I consider this class
as those who want their Swiss Accounts to be considered as private and
secret. This is funny when the bank transactions in India are under
the surveillance of income tax men! Any transaction above 50K requires
compulsory disclosure of PAN Card No.
The end result is before you which is little sad. And mind you, the UID is
optional, you may not opt to apply for one!
regards
Subhash
On 31 January 2011 14:14, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote:
> So, am I correct that UID is hardly anything more than an additional wrung
> of formalities to be completed to obtain various services in India?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mohammed Asif iqbal
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:28 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability?
>
> Sorry for delay in replying.
> Please understand that UIDAI is not issuing card rather it is just issueing
> letter which contains number. However bottom portion of the letter can be
> torn and stored for remembering the numbers. State government is free to
> issue card that is if it serve their purpose.
> Please also understand that UIDAI is not superceeding ministery and it has
> to work with existing ministry hence it is not collecting data on cast/
> community/ religion/. SC/ST/ OBC/ disability as well as it is not empowered
> to verify whether one is able/ disabled.
> Thanks and hope this clearifies.
> Asif
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SC Vashishth
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:34 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability?
>
> Dear Harish,
>
> Sadly that is not so. Its not only "for the disabled" but of the disabled
> also wanting this. The degree of social acceptance of different
> disabilities
> is different and this is a harsh truth. While those with visual impairments
> may be keen in getting their disability included on UID but those with few
> other disabilities have not been comfortable in declaring the same on the
> face of it for the fear of discrimination and other obvious reasons.
>
> Another reason that I see is that not all disabilities enumerated in the
> PWD
> Act have got benefited from being declared as a Person with disability
> except few. Thus for them, including it on the UID carries no benefit. On
> the contrary, they fear this might lead to discrimination.
>
> May be UID representatives/Mr. Asif could answer the specific reason as to
> why this was dropped and what can be done to salvage it at least for those
> who are willing and want to include this.
> regards
>
>
> 29 January 2011 11:14, Harish Kotian <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Dear Vashisht
> >
> > In my opinion, it will be those "for the disabled" who would be opposing
> > inclusion of disability in the UI Card. For, the disabled themselves
> > understand the hassel of carrying a bag full of ID cards for proof of
> > disability.
> >
> > More importantly, this could have been the perfect answer for getting
> > access to copyright material internationally and obtaining immunity from
> > fair use clause.
> >
> > I think we must do everything possible to resalvage it if possible to do
> > so.
> >
> > If one chooses not to disclose this information to the UI authority that
> > should be fine, later, they should not cry for not having done so. Just
> > because of a handful of persons, we cannot throw out a system which would
> > help majority of persons.
> >
> > Harish Kotian.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "SC Vashishth" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability?
> >
> >
> > > Rajesh, a large number of persons with disabilities do not want their
> > > disability on their UID Cards. They want to be known by their name and
> > > number and not by their disability. Argument - when you don't write
> > > conditions such as Heart Problems, Knee Problems etc or
> > > Castes/categories such as SC/ST, then why disability which is just a
> > > condition that persons live with.
> > >
> > > This debate perhaps has led to UID dropping disability from the face of
> > the
> > > card.
> > >
> > > Another issue - UID's legal mandate doesn't require it to be a
> replacing
> > > document for various other certificates such as a disability
> certificate.
> > > This also has a politics of maintaining relevance of certain
> > > departments/ministries that have a stake in the disability. And they do
> > not
> > > want to let go their importance. Since, if every important information
> > comes
> > > on UID then they fear it might render them redundant such as a PAN Card
> > > (Separate Ministry), Ration Card (Separate Ministry), (Disability
> > > Certificate (Min. of Health) etc......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 January 2011 17:48, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> No asif, it does not help, if UDAI does not cover disability.
> > >> Sorry.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> > >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mohammed Asif
> > iqbal
> > >> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:20 PM
> > >> To: [email protected]
> > >> Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability?
> > >>
> > >> Hi Amar,
> > >> As you are aware; I am currently working with UIDAI. With mandate of
> > >> enrolling Pwd.
> > >> No, data on disability is not being collected.
> > >> UID only collects data on name, date of birth, father's name/ mother's
> > >> name/
> > >> guardian/ City address. And Email/ mobile no. is optional.
> > >> Hope this helps.
> > >> I will be coming to Bombay soon and hope to catch up with you and
> > explain
> > >> this in details.
> > >> Mohammed Asif Iqbal
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: [email protected]
> > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Amar
> Jain
> > >> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:35 PM
> > >> To: [email protected]
> > >> Subject: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability?
> > >>
> > >> Dear All,
> > >> We are aware that UIDAI will include disability in their database. I
> > >> saw the form on eaadhaar.com as the form on UIDAI website was
> > >> unreadable by Jaws, but it does not ask for disability related
> > >> information.
> > >> So would like to know if there is anybody who has got UID which
> > >> includes their disability detail, and procedure which is to be
> > >> followed?
> > >> As per help desk soon UID will be allotted in Mumbai.
> > >> Regards
> > >> Amar Jain.
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >>
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