Hi All, it was an idea and recommendation which was extended through the medium of the Show. Now a days government has made it mandetory to main stream schools to have a special educater and counseler. Just imagine, there is no special schools, and if the teacher who do their education in special education are recruited by inclusive school who can train the regular teachers who have done their B.ED in a regular stream. All the fascility's such as a computer lab which is fully equipped with the necessary tools such as a screne-readers etc are fascilitated and this would be the best way to create awareness and sensatization, as many of our sited counter part including the special students would be our future leaders and policy makers, Thus then there would be no need to sensatize any leaders or ministers who were not any way knowing the needs of the special students and masses, as they have not received education inclusively along with the special segment of the society.
On 6/11/12, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala <[email protected]> wrote: > The kind of pampering you're talking about happens out of lack of > awareness among such people who do it. And how can it be ensured that > it would not happen in higher classes? If teachers start dealing with > challenged students on a regular basis then automatically they would > understand that any mistake done by a challenged student should be > punished as equally as an able bodied student. Currenly, they just see > one or two such students and treat them specially or with liniency - > it's a case of disability illiteracy. Teachers in special schools may > not be doing such acts because they are more literate on the subject > of disability than their mainstream counterparts. Special schools > allow irregular attendance, are more flexible than required with > respect to students' behaviour and pamper challenged students in > various other ways. I was a mainstream student and don't recall an > incident when I had the privilege of not doing my homework or was > allowed in the class late. I too lost marks for untidy books or answer > sheets. > > Teachers of higher classes are more mature than those of primary > classes. Where does this thought come from? > > An inclusive school is supposed to be the one who not only admits > challenged students for name sake but it would also have the onus of > meeting special needs of such students. Some of the examples of such > needs are a computer equipped with a screen reader, sign language > interpreter, touch models, scribes for writing exams, etc. Of course, > it may not be viable for every school to have all such arrangements > but at least few of them can do so. The government and other NGOs can > certainly help schools with such arrangements. > > And a cricket enthusiast would go to a cricket academy for learning > cricket not his regular academics. Similarly, a visually challenged > would go to a blinds rehabilitation center for learning mobility or > other such activity. Why does he need to go to a special school for > his regular academics? Let the special institutions continue with > special trainings like mobility, screen readers, sign language and so > on. > > True that we cannot play outdoor games with others without some > adaptation and the others may not be ready to play with such > adaptations. But there are various other forms of interaction that > happen among children in schools. is it that if a challenged person > does his primary education through a special school and then joins a > mainstream school he would be able to play such games with the > able-bodied? The idea here is to present an opportunity to both the > parties to interact and understand each other in the earlier phases of > life when their minds are free from bias. > > Yes! girls special and boys special schools are isolation > institutions. Majority of such students are gender biased and shy of > speaking to people of the other gender. The funnier part of the game > is that girls convent can have male teachers and vice versa. > > On 6/11/12, zoher <[email protected]> wrote: >> I am not agree on the point that going to special school is the pampering >> a >> >> disabled child. It is the other way round. Many a times if a disabled >> child >> >> goes to the normal school then teachers are little lenient about them and >> ignores their mistakes. On the other hand the special schools treats the >> disabled child as a normal child. In the show it was pointed out that let >> the disabled child play with other children's, let him also fall, let he >> also get stitches. But if we take first case that is let the disabled >> child >> >> play with normal children's. How far it is practical, can a blind person >> play cricket, foot ball or even dumb shears. But in blind schools he can >> enjoy cricket, Wally ball, playing cards, kabbady and many more. He >> falls >> >> and he gets stitches also. >> >> Now let us come to academics. The special schools gives the conceptual >> clarity about many things regarding the scientific concepts and >> geographical >> >> processes Through touch models. In the later stages when child goes to >> normal school he can grab that subject easily . if the teachers of normal >> schools does not know how to teach the particular subject or how to >> handle >> particular situation with disabled student then that student can himself >> guide the teacher please explain me like this. >> >> Let me give my own example. In last year of BA I took economics as my >> subject so the HOD of eco dept. was not ready to give that subject, >> because >> >> she was thinking that how will deal graphs. Then I told her about the >> plastic paper and she was ready to give that subject. >> >> If the special schools are the institution of isolation then what about >> the >> >> girls special schools or boys special schools. Then they should also be >> considered as isolation institution. >> >> As far as the argument that says that if the disabled child is not >> admitted >> >> to normal schools then the school students looses the opportunity to mix >> with disabled. This argument looks very Kiddush and bookish too. >> >> I am not saying that the whole education should be taken in the special >> school, but I am saying that till 7th standard the special schools are >> necessary. After that the disabled student and the normal students also >> becomes mature enough to understand each other's problems. And teachers >> of >> secondary schools are of comparatively older, so they handle disabled >> student very well. >> >> In conclusion of this mail I can say that every person needs some special >> environment to nurture his potentials. If one has to learn cricket then >> he >> has to go to cricket special academy, he cannot learn cricket by going to >> foot ball academy. So where there is a different need then there has to >> be >> different institutions. >> >> zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools >> anymore? >> >> >>> To me, an inclusive school would mean the one that is well equipped >>> with basic facilities to support disabled students. A school that >>> admits disabled students without considering his basic needs to learn >>> cannot be called as an inclusive school. Also, there's no magic stick >>> invented so far that can convert all regular schools into inclusive >>> schools in a flash, there's a lot of ground work required. This show >>> is just a baby step towards sensitising the society about inclusive >>> education. An inclusive school should be able to fulfill all learning >>> needs of the disabled and there would not be a need for special >>> school. >>> >>> Special schools are one of the methods of isolating disabled folks >>> from the mainstream. As someone rightly said on the show - by not >>> admitting disabled students to the main stream school, not only do >>> disabled students miss an opportunity to be part of main stream but >>> the able bodied students also miss an opportunity to interact, play >>> and learn with their disabled counterparts. Special schools may be >>> good for pampering the disabled but may not be the right tool to build >>> up and shape a personality. The process of inclusion has to begin even >>> before a child starts going to school to make him comfortable about >>> himself and divise his own tricks to overcome disability and adapt to >>> the society with courage and confidence, this cannot be done after the >>> child goes to a special school for several years as his mind >>> preoccupies itself to limited activities and may also develop a >>> negative picture of the society. Sending a disabled child to a special >>> school for primary education is like isolating the child from the >>> mainstream for inclusion at a later stage. >>> >>> Subjects like Maths, Science and Geography are tough for not only the >>> challenged but for most of them. A lot depends on the methodology of >>> teaching, the students' grasping ability, availability of learning >>> aids and the overall learning environment. Let me tell you my own >>> example when I was in the first year of my Commerce graduation. >>> Commerce folks are aware that Mathematics is an optional subject in >>> junior college but a compulsory one in the first year of graduation. >>> The first year of graduation becomes a nightmare for people who opt >>> for Secretarial Practice (SP) in junior college. The same was the case >>> with two of my sighted friends in college but not for me as I loved >>> Mathematics and had done my junior college with Science. Majority of >>> the topics were known to me and I used to solve the problems before >>> our coaching class faculty would do it for the class. In fact, there >>> were situations when she was stuck at points where I had the solution. >>> These 2 friends asked me if I can help them learn the subject and I >>> agreed. Everyday, after class we 3 gathered at my home and solved home >>> assignments and additional problems marked for the next day. Would >>> this have happened if I were a special school student? >>> >>> I am never comfortable with challenged people learning Mathematics of >>> a lower class in the 10th class. If we think of a social inclusion of >>> challenged then why such discrimination. Also, I see a whole lot of >>> disabled folks and NGOs advising disabled to remain in comfort zones. >>> Why can't visually challenged people take up Commerce or Science after >>> school? All these questions can be answered by sensitising and >>> educating the society about disability and the fact that education is >>> as much important for a disabled as much as their able bodied >>> counterparts. And we need to take concrete steps in this direction >>> rather than waiting for a magician. >>> >>> Friends, I have always remained in an inclusive environment and firmly >>> believe that it has helped me be whatever and wherever I am today. And >>> let me tell you that I belong to a family with no luxuries - my >>> parents and grandparents have struggled a lot and have seen days of >>> nothing more than 2 meals a day. They did not have social contacts or >>> political influences. The only thing they had is courage, passion and >>> unshakable moral values. Its not true that only rich can afford >>> raising disabled children and include them in the mainstream, all who >>> accept their disabled children wholeheartedly and believe in >>> themselves and their offspring can do it. And I don't think any >>> special school extends its facilities to disabled students' at home, >>> do they? And if an inclusive school provides facilities as special >>> schools to their student then why would we need special schools? Let's >>> think of inclusion from day 1 of a disabled child's life and not at a >>> later stage. >>> >>> On 6/11/12, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Dear Zoher >>>> I can say that yesterday Amir merely scratched the surface about >>>> various >>>> issues confronting disability. >>>> Perhaps, it was the best he could do on that platform. >>>> Coming to special schools, I can take amir's and disability sectors' >>>> assertions about sending disabled kids to mainstream schools right from >>>> beginning only with a grain of salt. >>>> As rightly pointed out by you, there are a host of issues to be taken >>>> care >>>> of about the education of the disabled, particularly sensorily >>>> disabled. >>>> So, it is a good idea to have special schools till priamary level, and >>>> then >>>> integrate children with disabilities n mainstream schools by rendering >>>> necessary support and properly training/sensitizing mainstream >>>> teachers. >>>> >>>> regarding argument that most special schools do not do justice and are >>>> malfunctioning, the same is the state of majority of mainstream schools >>>> and >>>> government policies are squarely responsible for the mess in which >>>> special >>>> schools find themselves in. >>>> So, the argument for doing away with special schools does not seem >>>> valid >>>> >>>> to >>>> me. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of zoher >>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:25 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any >>>> more? >>>> >>>> Dear friends, >>>> >>>> Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated >>>> education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require >>>> special schools for disabled? >>>> >>>> My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special >>>> schools. >>>> >>>> Following arguments can support my take. >>>> >>>> 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so >>>> he >>>> >>>> can >>>> have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because >>>> normal >>>> schools cannot provide with all the facilities. >>>> >>>> 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not >>>> accept >>>> their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so >>>> that >>>> Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't >>>> think >>>> >>>> so >>>> any normal school can do so. >>>> >>>> 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their >>>> parents >>>> or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the >>>> child >>>> becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then >>>> he >>>> will not be able to cope with the situation. >>>> >>>> 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the >>>> real >>>> world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence >>>> even >>>> with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and >>>> geography >>>> he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools >>>> are >>>> not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate >>>> disabled student? >>>> >>>> Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th >>>> standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools. >>>> >>>> According to me, even giving entire education is in the special >>>> environment >>>> is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated >>>> society. >>>> >>>> To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a >>>> disabled >>>> should respect other disabled person. In yesterdays show there was one >>>> person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to >>>> him, >>>> his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives >>>> with >>>> disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex. >>>> >>>> Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have >>>> enlightenment on this issue. >>>> >>>> zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> [email protected] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >>>> and >>>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >>>> are >>>> addressed. 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