Dear Zoher I agree with your arguments. Often the bar is set much higher for a disabled in order to be included in the society. As you well said, a disabled need not be a genus always, and so, we do require a special set up for many activities including education. Crux of the matter is that education should be imparted to disabled, be it a special or inclusive set up, ultimately a disabled has to have a place in society.
Unflinching champions of inclusion should also frown at the marriage between disableds, or for that matter, separate coach in trains, as I suspect they do, but it is unhealthy. To take the example of train, ask any disabled person who has travelled in unreserved class, the need for a separate coach can not be overstated. The argument that the said special coach is often occupied by non disabled, does not invalidate the need for it in the first place, it rather strengthens the argument in its favor. Same is applicable in many other areas. I am not against inclusion, but special schools at primary level, are the need of the hour in order to better integrate disabled in mainstream. Disability is a relevant factor in ensuring equal and dignified life, and not all mainstream institutions always can figure it relevantly. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of zoher Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? The situation of integrated education was comparatively ok before 5 to 10 years. Now the situation has become more critical. Earlier the chock and talk method was disabled friendly but now use of electronic projectors and other A V presentation has made inclusive education more complex. if I am not exaggerating then the time is not so far that the normal children's of disabled parents will also face the difficulty to get an admission in normal schools. Why I am saying this because before giving admission in any private schools they interview the parents of that child. And they may raise the questions that if you are disabled then it will affect your Childs performance their by it will affect our schools performance. Now a days the schools gives lots of project works to children's, and everybody knows the parents only has to complete the project. So which integration we are talking about? Don't forget 1 fact that the disabled students in a main stream schools are in minority so their grievances will not be paid attention. To make each and every schools inclusive is financially not viable but to have state wise 1 special school is viable. We must not forget the fact that each and every disabled child is not genius. If the child is not extra ordinary then he requires extra attention and he can get this in special schools. If I am not going to the extreme of argument, then I would like to make a statement, we all go to integrated colleges, but it is the fact that a blind student has to take arts or if 1 is lucky then commerce. But learning science is still a dream because the labs are not properly equipped. Now just think if we have special colleges to learn science then it will be a dream comes true for many of us. Let us talk about the private computer education centers, just go and try to get an admission as a blind. Even if you say I will come with my own software then also they will not permit, because they argue that we teach with the help of mouse and you will have to learn through keyboard commands. For a sited student of computer to increase the size of cell in excel is very easy just with a click of the mouse, now imagine the blind person has to do by going to home tab and format cell and type the numbers for dimension for the cell. It is argued that the special schools are in urban area, so everyone can not go. But luckily most of the special schools have the hostel facility and they are very economic too. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala ----- Original Message ----- From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? > The ideal of making each and every school accessible to all disabled is, > just as I said, an ideal only. > Yes, the choice should be between special and inclusive schools, and not > between special and mainstream school which do not know even the ABCD of > disability. > > Now, government under SSA contemplates to make all schools disabled > friendly only by sending special teachers once a week who would assist all > the disabled take education and sensitize mainstream teachers. > These are half hearted efforts making the lot of disabled students worse. > Education as always would remain a teasing illusion to many disabled. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mukesh jain > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any > more? > > Hello, I am not agreed with the statement > "special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall > developement of the disabled." > Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the > most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art > of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self > while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the > great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close > relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many > independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were > also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving > independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking > the food etc. > > Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school > administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various > well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production > etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I > can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I > would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would > certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have > the real experience and their right solution at the right time. > > I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother > without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and > could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life > entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very > disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of > the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child's > progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness, > timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the > said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep > track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the > regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory > staffs. > > > > > On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi zoher, >> You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper >> primary class. But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind >> friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that >> special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall >> developement of the disabled. I cannot comment on this, since I had >> no experience in any of the special school. >> >> Renuka. >> >> On 6/11/12, zoher <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Dear friends, >>> >>> Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated >>> education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require >>> special schools for disabled? >>> >>> My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special >>> schools. >>> >>> Following arguments can support my take. >>> >>> 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he >>> can >>> have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because >>> normal >>> schools cannot provide with all the facilities. >>> >>> 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not >>> accept >>> their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so >>> that >>> Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't >>> think >>> so >>> any normal school can do so. >>> >>> 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their >>> parents >>> or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the >>> child >>> becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then >>> he >>> will not be able to cope with the situation. >>> >>> 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the >>> real >>> world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence >>> even >>> with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and >>> geography >>> he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools >>> are >>> not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate >>> disabled student? >>> >>> Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th >>> standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools. >>> >>> According to me, even giving entire education is in the special >>> environment >>> is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated >>> society. >>> >>> To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled >>> should respect other disabled person. In yesterdays show there was one >>> person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to >>> him, >>> his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives >>> with >>> disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex. >>> >>> Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have >>> enlightenment on this issue. >>> >>> zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> [email protected] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> [email protected] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > Mukesh jain > Email: > [email protected] > Skype: mukeshjain211 > Mob: 09977165123 > > "Face your deficiencies and acknowledge them; but do not let them > master you. 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