Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?

[tkg]

   friends
in my point of view that  special school is needed in the primary level
especially for vi children,  h I children   and mentally challenged
children, they wanted to get   special training to cope with the
society.but  in the  case of orthopedic  challenged
can do the thinks easily,  their main  problem is  to reaching the school
premises most of the buildings are not  accessible.
by gopi t k
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala" <zujarbri...@gmail.com>
To: "zoher" <zos...@gmail.com>; <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools anymore?


The kind of pampering you're talking about happens out of lack of
awareness among such people who do it. And how can it be ensured that
it would not happen in higher classes? If teachers start dealing with
challenged students on a regular basis then automatically they would
understand that any mistake done by a challenged student should be
punished as equally as an able bodied student. Currenly, they just see
one or two such students and treat them specially or with liniency -
it's a case of disability illiteracy. Teachers in special schools may
not be doing such acts because they are more literate on the subject
of disability than their mainstream counterparts. Special schools
allow irregular attendance, are more flexible than required with
respect to students' behaviour and pamper challenged students in
various other ways. I was a mainstream student and don't recall an
incident when I had the privilege of not doing my homework or was
allowed in the class late. I too lost marks for untidy books or answer
sheets.

Teachers of higher classes are more mature than those of primary
classes. Where does this thought come from?

An inclusive school is supposed to be the one who not only admits
challenged students for name sake but it would also have the onus of
meeting special needs of such students. Some of the examples of such
needs are a computer equipped with a screen reader, sign language
interpreter, touch models, scribes for writing exams, etc. Of course,
it may not be viable for every school to have all such arrangements
but at least few of them can do so. The government and other NGOs can
certainly help schools with such arrangements.

And a cricket enthusiast would go to a cricket academy for learning
cricket not his regular academics. Similarly, a visually challenged
would go to a blinds rehabilitation center for learning mobility or
other such activity. Why does he need to go to a special school for
his regular academics? Let the special institutions continue with
special trainings like mobility, screen readers, sign language and so
on.

True that we cannot play outdoor games with others without some
adaptation and the others may not be ready to play with such
adaptations. But there are various other forms of interaction that
happen among children in schools. is it that if a challenged person
does his primary education through a special school and then joins a
mainstream school he would be able to play such games with the
able-bodied? The idea here is to present an opportunity to both the
parties to interact and understand each other in the earlier phases of
life when their minds are free from bias.

Yes! girls special and boys special schools are isolation
institutions. Majority of such students are gender biased and shy of
speaking to people of the other gender. The funnier part of the game
is that girls convent can have male teachers and vice versa.

On 6/11/12, zoher <zos...@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not agree on the point that going to special school is the pampering 
a

disabled child. It is the other way round. Many a times if a disabled 
child

goes to the normal school then teachers are little lenient about them and
ignores their mistakes. On the other hand the special schools treats the
disabled child as a normal child. In the show it was pointed out that let
the disabled child play with other children's, let him also fall, let he
also get stitches. But if we take first case that is let the disabled 
child

play with normal children's. How far it is practical, can a blind person
play cricket, foot ball or even dumb shears. But in blind schools he can
enjoy cricket, Wally ball, playing cards, kabbady and many more.   He 
falls

and he gets stitches also.

Now let us come to academics. The special schools gives the conceptual
clarity about many things regarding the scientific concepts and 
geographical

processes Through touch models. In the later stages when child goes to
normal school he can grab that subject easily . if the teachers of normal
schools does not know how to teach the particular subject or how to 
handle
particular situation with disabled student then that student can himself
guide the teacher please explain me like this.

Let me give my own example. In last year of BA I took economics as my
subject so the HOD of eco dept. was not ready to give that subject, 
because

she was thinking that how will deal graphs. Then I told her about the
plastic paper and she was ready to give that subject.

If the special schools are the institution of isolation then what about 
the

girls special schools or boys special schools. Then they should also be
considered as isolation institution.

As far as the argument that says that if the disabled child is not 
admitted

to normal schools then the school students looses the opportunity to mix
with disabled. This argument looks very Kiddush and bookish too.

I am not saying that the whole education should be taken in the special
school, but I am saying that till 7th standard the special schools are
necessary. After that the disabled student and the normal students also
becomes mature enough to understand each other's problems. And teachers 
of
secondary schools are of comparatively older, so they handle disabled
student very well.

In conclusion of this mail I can say that every person needs some special
environment to nurture his potentials. If one has to learn cricket then 
he
has to go to cricket special academy, he cannot learn cricket by going to
foot ball academy. So where there is a different need then there has to 
be
different institutions.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala" <zujarbri...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools 
anymore?


To me, an inclusive school would mean the one that is well equipped
with basic facilities to support disabled students. A school that
admits disabled students without considering his basic needs to learn
cannot be called as an inclusive school. Also, there's no magic stick
invented so far that can convert all regular schools into inclusive
schools in a flash, there's a lot of ground work required. This show
is just a baby step towards sensitising the society about inclusive
education. An inclusive school should be able to fulfill all learning
needs of the disabled and there would not be a need for special
school.

Special schools are one of the methods of  isolating disabled folks
from the mainstream. As someone rightly said on the show - by not
admitting disabled students to the main stream school, not only do
disabled students miss an opportunity to be part of main stream but
the able bodied students also miss an opportunity to interact, play
and learn with their disabled counterparts. Special schools may be
good for pampering the disabled but may not be the right tool to build
up and shape a personality. The process of inclusion has to begin even
before a child starts going to school to make him comfortable about
himself and divise his own tricks to overcome disability and adapt to
the society with courage and confidence, this cannot be done after the
child goes to a special school for several years as his mind
preoccupies itself to limited activities and may also develop a
negative picture of the society. Sending a disabled child to a special
school for primary education is like isolating the child from the
mainstream for inclusion at a later stage.

Subjects like Maths, Science and Geography are tough for not only the
challenged but for most of them. A lot depends on the methodology of
teaching, the students' grasping ability, availability of learning
aids and the overall learning environment. Let me tell you my own
example when I was in the first year of my Commerce graduation.
Commerce folks are aware that Mathematics is an optional subject in
junior college but a compulsory one in the first year of graduation.
The first year of graduation becomes a nightmare for people who opt
for Secretarial Practice (SP) in junior college. The same was the case
with two of my sighted friends in college but not for me as I loved
Mathematics and had done my junior college with Science. Majority of
the topics were known to me and I used to solve the problems before
our coaching class faculty would do it for the class. In fact, there
were situations when she was stuck at points where I had the solution.
These 2 friends asked me if I can help them learn the subject and I
agreed. Everyday, after class we 3 gathered at my home and solved home
assignments and additional problems marked for the next day. Would
this have happened if I were a special school student?

I am never comfortable with challenged people learning Mathematics of
a lower class in the 10th class. If we think of a social inclusion of
challenged then why such discrimination. Also, I see a whole lot of
disabled folks and NGOs advising disabled to remain in comfort zones.
Why can't visually challenged people take up Commerce or Science after
school? All these questions can be answered by sensitising and
educating the society about disability and the fact that education is
as much important for a disabled as much as their able bodied
counterparts. And we need to take concrete steps in this direction
rather than waiting for a magician.

Friends, I have always remained in an inclusive environment and firmly
believe that it has helped me be whatever and wherever I am today. And
let me tell you that I belong to a family with no luxuries - my
parents and grandparents have struggled a lot and have seen days of
nothing more than 2 meals a day. They did not have social contacts or
political influences. The only thing they had is courage, passion and
unshakable moral values. Its not true that only rich can afford
raising disabled children and include them in the mainstream, all who
accept their disabled children wholeheartedly and believe in
themselves and their offspring can do it. And I don't think any
special school extends its facilities to disabled students' at home,
do they? And if an inclusive school provides facilities as special
schools to their student then why would we need special schools? Let's
think of inclusion from day 1 of a disabled child's life and not at a
later stage.

On 6/11/12, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
Dear Zoher
I can say that yesterday Amir merely scratched the surface about 
various
issues confronting disability.
Perhaps, it was the best he could do on that platform.
Coming to special schools, I can take amir's and disability sectors'
assertions about sending disabled kids to mainstream schools right from
beginning only with a grain of salt.
As rightly pointed out by you, there are a host of issues to be taken
care
of about the education of the disabled, particularly sensorily 
disabled.
So, it is a good idea to have special schools till priamary level, and
then
integrate children with disabilities n mainstream schools by rendering
necessary support and properly training/sensitizing mainstream 
teachers.

regarding argument that most special schools do not do justice and are
malfunctioning, the same is the state of majority of mainstream schools
and
government policies are squarely responsible  for the mess in which
special
schools find themselves in.
So, the argument for doing away with special schools does not seem 
valid

to
me.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of zoher
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:25 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any 
more?

Dear friends,

Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated
education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require
special schools for disabled?

My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special
schools.

Following arguments can support my take.

1.       Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so 
he

can
have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because
normal
schools cannot provide with all the facilities.

2.       As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not
accept
their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so
that
Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't 
think

so
any normal school can do so.

3.       Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their
parents
or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the
child
becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then
he
will not be able to cope with the situation.

4.       A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the
real
world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence
even
with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and
geography
he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools
are
not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate
disabled student?

Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th
standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools.

According to me, even giving entire education is in the special
environment
is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated
society.

To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a 
disabled
should respect other disabled person.  In yesterdays show there was one
person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to
him,
his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives
with
disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex.

Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have
enlightenment on this issue.

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