Faking is faking, be it faking disability or faking to be an IAS officer or a
police officer or a tax man! It all falls under Section 420. Perhaps a few
other sections too. Kanchan can throw better light.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
Sender: "AccessIndia" <accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:03:50
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the
disabled.<accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Reply-To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates
Should the RPD Bill speak of it or should it not be a fake certificate under
the Indian Penal Code?
Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
To: <abid...@gmail.com>; "AccessIndia: a list fordiscussing accessibility
and issues concerning the disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates
> Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is
> marginally affected....
> I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i
> jobs or doing well.
>
> How to catch and punish fakers?
> What does bill say about it?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of abid...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM
> To: Access India
> Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates
>
> We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely
> punished.
>
> Only that would deter people from faking disability.
>
> Javed Abidi
> 26.2.2014
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
> Sender: "AccessIndia" <accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in>
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
> the disabled.<accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Reply-To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates
>
> Hi Bhiwani,
> I just changed your subject line.
> 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability
> certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very
> general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically
> a. Has a certificate of higher disability
> b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled
>
> 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but please
> give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up.
> 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be
> low
> visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS
> complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the
> organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or
> commented about it. I think I posted this on this list.
> 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2
> districts
> in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get
> transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf
> or
> partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next?
> 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled
> in
> Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams.
> 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka.
> 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that while
> he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled
> but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know.
> 8.
> You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra
> in
> which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of
> recruitments
> that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not
> taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it
> up
> though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What
> should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema
> Surve's
> appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of
> the
> court and diverted it from these issues.
> Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent
> them. Are we going to complain to the authorities.
> Whose responsibility is it ?
> Kanchan Pamnani
> Advocate & Solicitor
> 9, Suleman Chambers,
> Battery Street, Colaba,
> Mumbai - 400 039.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bhawani shankar verma" <bsvermad...@gmail.com>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
> thedisabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi
>
>
>> please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified blind
>> people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving
>> license?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aravind R" <aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com>
>> To: <neelima24su...@gmail.com>; "AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>> accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled."
>> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi
>>
>>
>>> ok moderator sir and mr. abidi sir.
>>> lets discuss in constructive way as everyone wish.
>>> people who support this bill to be passed in present version please
>>> explain us the following.
>>> what will be the benifits just by recognising us as disabled people
>>> then denying jobs using the loopholes in this law?
>>> people will simply recognise us as disabled if we use sticks or
>>> hearing machines or wheel chairs or if we behave differently.
>>> certificates are for ensuring that nondisabled wont get the benifits
>>> we get due to disability.
>>> if this law gives loopholes to exempt us from reservation if any legal
>>> reason can be invented, then what we will gain by getting nation wide
>>> certificate and guardian?
>>> i'm ignorant and couldn't understand these. please explain me in what
>>> way, this bill is better and why some of you want very urgently to be
>>> passed?
>>> a good explanation will make this discussion to be much fruitful and
>>> healthy as everyone wish.
>>>
>>> On 2/25/14, Neelima Surve <neelima.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Radha! I can understand your situation. A person who goes from
>>>> the same only can understand the situation. But, there are some people
>>>> who doesn't matter from which situation you go or not. If they get
>>>> comfort, then its ok. Dear, our countless thanks are also insufficient
>>>> for Avinash & his team. & also Poonam. Who spent their night without
>>>> sleepless. My dear, Really, just because of you, we can sleep. Am I?
>>>>
>>>> Dear Poonam! hardly I can understand your highly decoreted language.
>>>> Smile! Please! don't take it other wice. I know its my fault, but, I
>>>> want to tell you, & Avinash! don't worry! you will never get an answer
>>>> from Moderator. In fact, he will take further step, which we all know
>>>> what . &, for that, we never ever care.
>>>>
>>>> Let me tell you one more thing, guest hai to khatirdaari to karnee hee
>>>> pade gee naa? Samjho samjho yaar.
>>>>
>>>> Now, my question for those, who are again & again saying that people
>>>> are using abusing language against Abidi, just show me a one sentence.
>>>> As poonam said, nothing is objectionable on these mails. In fact, this
>>>> is rediculous, that, he puts remark for Rungtha like (Advocate), then,
>>>> none has taken objection about him, but, when people talk to him, then
>>>> many people are raising their voice to say that, don't use abusive
>>>> language.
>>>>
>>>> Yes poonam! ye to sidhi sidhi baat hai my dear, we always call Mr.
>>>> Abidi, (so called activest), &, therefore, he puts remark for Rungtha,
>>>> like (Advocate). May I? Mr. Abidi? But, I would like to tell you, that
>>>> you deserve that much only. I can again & again say we never ever
>>>> think, that, our future will be safe under your leadership. &, yes!
>>>> If you all think, that, we should not talk anythink for the guest, Mr.
>>>> Abidi, then, No abusive, or bius language for Avinash & his other
>>>> team. Especially for Avinash. At once also, when he raised the point
>>>> about charges, all had trying to prove wrong him, but, this time we
>>>> all cannot tollerate it.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Abidi, he says sorry to you, not just to show his artificial
>>>> politeness, but, it comes from the heart, & somehow, he may realised,
>>>> that, he should have control his anger. But, you or some other people,
>>>> never even show this kind of politeness.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry! I can't be artificial polite.
>>>>
>>>> Dear Kanchan Madam, I am very sorry, my point is not to disapoint you,
>>>> but, I had always got a positive response from NFB rather than NAB, &
>>>> therefore I said like this. Please don't take it other wice.
>>>>
>>>> Dear/Respected Moderator, if you want to remove me from this list,
>>>> kindly inform me 1st. But, I can never tollerate any wrong words
>>>> against Mr. Rungtha, &, ask to Mr. abidi to clarrify, how bill has got
>>>> mixed up?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you laugh on ND TV? Just because, moderator doesn't give chance
>>>> to Mr. Rungtha to clear his stand? You can do that much only. That's
>>>> why we can call you anti visually impaired.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> God examine those whom loves he the most.
>>>>
>>>>
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