Faking a certificate is a crime, and as such a more appropriate place is the crpc I think. Anyways the RPD bill is not even entirely clear about the punishment if any, due to non-compliance of its empowering provisions. Let them fix that first.
On 2/26/14, Kanchan Pamnani <[email protected]> wrote: > Should the RPD Bill speak of it or should it not be a fake certificate under > > the Indian Penal Code? > > Kanchan Pamnani > Advocate & Solicitor > 9, Suleman Chambers, > Battery Street, Colaba, > Mumbai - 400 039. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "AccessIndia: a list fordiscussing accessibility > and issues concerning the disabled." <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates > > >> Many claim to be orthopedically disabled whose only one finger is >> marginally affected.... >> I have not many hundred percent orthopedically disabled occupying class i >> >> jobs or doing well. >> >> How to catch and punish fakers? >> What does bill say about it? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM >> To: Access India >> Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates >> >> We have to catch these people (who fake disability) and get them severely >> >> punished. >> >> Only that would deter people from faking disability. >> >> Javed Abidi >> 26.2.2014 >> >> Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" <[email protected]> >> Sender: "AccessIndia" <[email protected]> >> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:59 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning >> >> the disabled.<[email protected]> >> Reply-To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled." <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AI] . Re:Fake certificates >> >> Hi Bhiwani, >> I just changed your subject line. >> 1. I have been told many times that on the basis of fake Disability >> certificates, many get jobs. The information that comes to me is very >> general and not specific. No one can point out who specifically >> a. Has a certificate of higher disability >> b. Has a certificate when he is not disabled >> >> 2. I know for sure that this is happening just like you know it but >> please >> give me one name and if possible address then someone can take it up. >> 3. In Mumbai there was a small scam where BEST drivers were found to be >> low >> visioned. This was found from an internal inquiry. None of the NGOS >> complained. It was reported in the press but no one not even the >> organisations who work for the visuallly impaired lodged their protest or >> commented about it. I think I posted this on this list. >> 4. There was another newspaper article which mentioned that in 2 >> districts >> in Maharashtra most of the government teachers did not want to get >> transferred so they used the excuse that they were either partially deaf >> >> or >> partially blind. This is again newspaper reporting. What happened next? >> 5. I have also read about students claiming to be orthopedically disabled >> >> in >> Gujrat and once caught were disbarred from exams. >> 6. there is a similar story from Karnataka. >> 7. One of the access india members from Delhi told me last year that >> while >> he was giving bank recruitment exams many at his centre were not disabled >> but had fake certificates. Did he call the NFB, NAB or AICB I dont know. >> 8. >> You are aware that we are fighting this omnibus litigation in Maharashtra >> >> in >> which we have been getting great orders. There is the issue of >> recruitments >> that took place in 2006. I can tell you surely that the government is not >> taking up that issue nor is any of the NGOs or their lawyers bringing it >> up >> though I have put it in Suhas Karnik's affidavit. Is it too late? What >> should we have done then? Is it more or less important than Nileema >> Surve's >> appointment and the giving of gadets etc which caught the attention of >> the >> court and diverted it from these issues. >> Now lets discuss how we can deal with these situations. Can we prevent >> them. Are we going to complain to the authorities. >> Whose responsibility is it ? >> Kanchan Pamnani >> Advocate & Solicitor >> 9, Suleman Chambers, >> Battery Street, Colaba, >> Mumbai - 400 039. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "bhawani shankar verma" <[email protected]> >> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >> issuesconcerning >> thedisabled." <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi >> >> >>> please also add my one question. who will stopp those 40% certified >>> blind >>> people who are on the job under blind category and also having driving >>> license? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Aravind R" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]>; "AccessIndia: a list for discussing >>> accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] . Re: Moderator: RE: Kindly answer for thi >>> >>> >>>> ok moderator sir and mr. abidi sir. >>>> lets discuss in constructive way as everyone wish. >>>> people who support this bill to be passed in present version please >>>> explain us the following. >>>> what will be the benifits just by recognising us as disabled people >>>> then denying jobs using the loopholes in this law? >>>> people will simply recognise us as disabled if we use sticks or >>>> hearing machines or wheel chairs or if we behave differently. >>>> certificates are for ensuring that nondisabled wont get the benifits >>>> we get due to disability. >>>> if this law gives loopholes to exempt us from reservation if any legal >>>> reason can be invented, then what we will gain by getting nation wide >>>> certificate and guardian? >>>> i'm ignorant and couldn't understand these. please explain me in what >>>> way, this bill is better and why some of you want very urgently to be >>>> passed? >>>> a good explanation will make this discussion to be much fruitful and >>>> healthy as everyone wish. >>>> >>>> On 2/25/14, Neelima Surve <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Dear Radha! I can understand your situation. A person who goes from >>>>> the same only can understand the situation. But, there are some people >>>>> who doesn't matter from which situation you go or not. If they get >>>>> comfort, then its ok. Dear, our countless thanks are also insufficient >>>>> for Avinash & his team. & also Poonam. Who spent their night without >>>>> sleepless. My dear, Really, just because of you, we can sleep. Am I? >>>>> >>>>> Dear Poonam! hardly I can understand your highly decoreted language. >>>>> Smile! Please! don't take it other wice. I know its my fault, but, I >>>>> want to tell you, & Avinash! don't worry! you will never get an answer >>>>> from Moderator. In fact, he will take further step, which we all know >>>>> what . &, for that, we never ever care. >>>>> >>>>> Let me tell you one more thing, guest hai to khatirdaari to karnee hee >>>>> pade gee naa? Samjho samjho yaar. >>>>> >>>>> Now, my question for those, who are again & again saying that people >>>>> are using abusing language against Abidi, just show me a one sentence. >>>>> As poonam said, nothing is objectionable on these mails. In fact, this >>>>> is rediculous, that, he puts remark for Rungtha like (Advocate), then, >>>>> none has taken objection about him, but, when people talk to him, then >>>>> many people are raising their voice to say that, don't use abusive >>>>> language. >>>>> >>>>> Yes poonam! ye to sidhi sidhi baat hai my dear, we always call Mr. >>>>> Abidi, (so called activest), &, therefore, he puts remark for Rungtha, >>>>> like (Advocate). May I? Mr. Abidi? But, I would like to tell you, that >>>>> you deserve that much only. I can again & again say we never ever >>>>> think, that, our future will be safe under your leadership. &, yes! >>>>> If you all think, that, we should not talk anythink for the guest, Mr. >>>>> Abidi, then, No abusive, or bius language for Avinash & his other >>>>> team. Especially for Avinash. At once also, when he raised the point >>>>> about charges, all had trying to prove wrong him, but, this time we >>>>> all cannot tollerate it. >>>>> >>>>> Mr. Abidi, he says sorry to you, not just to show his artificial >>>>> politeness, but, it comes from the heart, & somehow, he may realised, >>>>> that, he should have control his anger. But, you or some other people, >>>>> never even show this kind of politeness. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry! I can't be artificial polite. >>>>> >>>>> Dear Kanchan Madam, I am very sorry, my point is not to disapoint you, >>>>> but, I had always got a positive response from NFB rather than NAB, & >>>>> therefore I said like this. Please don't take it other wice. >>>>> >>>>> Dear/Respected Moderator, if you want to remove me from this list, >>>>> kindly inform me 1st. But, I can never tollerate any wrong words >>>>> against Mr. Rungtha, &, ask to Mr. abidi to clarrify, how bill has got >>>>> mixed up? >>>>> >>>>> Why do you laugh on ND TV? Just because, moderator doesn't give chance >>>>> to Mr. Rungtha to clear his stand? You can do that much only. 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