In rural areas if there are illiterate parents, it doesn't at all
become a bareer for inclusive education.
In NAB hostel, we had a large number of students belonging to rural
areas. Most of them became very bright and successful due to inclusive
education.

On 7/26/14, George Abraham <[email protected]> wrote:
> We can go on till the cows come home saying Inclusive Education has this
> problem and that problem and consign  it to the dust bin. Or wait  till some
> young guy comes up and does some research and tells as to what are the gaps
> in the way it is being implemented today.  The way forward calls for a
> vision and an holistic understanding. Solutions have to be found.
>
> This discussion has seen  very rich sharing of anecdotes and experiences and
> it has thrown up a number of gaps and challenges that Inclusive Education as
> it stands today faces. This can be a starting point. We can find a number of
> solutions and ideas if we were to put our heads together. I for one plan to
> read through the various inputs on this thread and see if something can be
> made out of it.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
> Of Soni Jo
> Sent: 26 July 2014 05:41
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide
>
> I would differ and disagree with Vidhya. I lost my eye sight when I
> was five years old and since I was six years old I was part of an
> inclusive education system. In the entire school it was just me who
> was different and my second class friends use to dictate to me
> whatever was on the black board. In fact I was the most popular girl
> and never missed an opportunity to climb up the trees or play chase
> and catch.
> Moreover, I had another challenge besides being visually imapired that
> was communication impairment. I knew only Hindi and my father got
> transferred to Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu where every one speaks Tamil.
> But I managed very well. That was the time I myself was understand
> what was happening to me and it took me so long to realise that I was
> different because I had such healthy inclusive atmosphere.
>
>  I had very rich experience and I can go on narrating. So, one cannot
> generalise and it is a matter for going lucky, how one see oneself and
> lot more.
> Lets be the change which we desire to see in our society.
> Keep hoping!
>
>
> On 7/26/14, Kakarla Nageswaraiah <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Yes, Inclusive Education is not practical in rural areas where parents
>> are mostly illiterate or semiliterate, poor and do not have the time,
>> patience, understanding and interest to address the problems of the
>> disabled students.  Also, such students do not organise that easily to
>> fight for their rights.  IE is useful only in cities where NGOs are
>> active and parents are educated and well-off.
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> could we have any experience from very rural place where a blind student
>>> studied in a regular primary govt school.  where the family has no money
>>> to
>>>
>>> pay heavy fees of english medium public schools?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Renuka Warriar Edakkunni
>>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:27 AM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>> suicide
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Since I was not totally blind I took my studies in normal school only.
>>> But even then, nobody considered me a disabled child, rather took me
>>> only one among them, and I  never had the feeling that I was
>>> different.  Of course, whenever I need any help from my friends or
>>> teachers, they were more than happy to provide it.
>>>
>>> Renuka.
>>>
>>> On 7/25/14, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Dil ke khush rakhne ko ghalib khayal achha hay!!
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, all this presupposes that a blind child would be well above
>>>> average
>>>> in dealing withlife, and society also in turn would be far mature and
>>>> sophisticated.
>>>>
>>>> My simple question is:
>>>> does a blind person not have the right to be just average?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With thanks and regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>>>
>>>> Assistant General Manager
>>>> Market Intelligence Unit
>>>> Reserve Bank of India
>>>> Nagpur
>>>>
>>>> Tel.: 0712 2806358
>>>> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want
>>>> them.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of George Abraham
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:51 AM
>>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning
>>>> the disabled.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>> suicide
>>>>
>>>> Just as we expect and campaign for an accessible World to live in our
>>>> education system is expected to be accessible in all its dimensions.
>>>> Technologies used , strategies deployed have to not only create a level
>>>> playing field but also  provide all children with choices to learn and
>>>> do
>>>> things. For example if blind children are allowed the option of writing
>>>> exams using computers then all children must have the choice of using
>>>> computers. The problems arise when you have special solutions deployed
>>>> for
>>>> so called special children and in the process isolate. Inclusion has to
>>>> happen with a universal design outlook. Inclusion is not just about
>>>> placing
>>>> disabled children in a mainstream school and addressing their special
>>>> needs. Inclusion is about a class room that is accessible, a pedagogy
>>>> that
>>>> reaches out to all children in class, a curriculum that is more focused
>>>> towards skill development rather than being content heavy. In other
>>>> words
>>>> inclusive education should not be a cut and paste job to accommodate
>>>> disabled children but needs to be looked at afresh with a lens of
>>>> universal
>>>> design that addresses the diversity.
>>>>
>>>> Given the fact that we the blind want opportunities in the World, we
>>>> need
>>>> to
>>>> 1. see how we can be empowered  enough to be part of the World
>>>> 2. The people around needs to be given sufficient opportunity to see,
>>>> understand and appreciate the potential of all of us so that their
>>>> hesitation, reluctance and resistence to including us  is wiped out.
>>>>
>>>> We live in an imperfect World. There is a constant room for improvement.
>>>> Nothing stops us from aspiring for a better World. We are not compelled
>>>> to
>>>> settle for inadequate options. We need to keep the big picture in mind
>>>> and
>>>> strive to eliminate the limitations of the systems and create a better
>>>> World for our selves There are problems with the way inclusion is
>>>> happening. We would be well served if we look at finding solutions to
>>>> the
>>>> challenges we face rather than merely sitting back and being critical of
>>>> the structures. Problems are there we need to look for the way forward.
>>>> If
>>>> we want to be included then we need to strive for inclusion right from
>>>> the
>>>> beginning so that we are equipped and so is the World equipped to
>>>> include.
>>>>
>>>> The World and life is driven by our dreams and aspirations together with
>>>> our desire to make the dream real.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of avinash shahi
>>>> Sent: 24 July 2014 22:51
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning
>>>> the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>> suicide
>>>>
>>>> Dear Vamshi sir
>>>>
>>>> Your question reminded me of one great paper which has been published
>>>> in the current issue of 'Disability & Society'; Author of the paper is
>>>> a blind PH.D scholar who has shared his experiences of regular school
>>>> in Australia.  I just want to share few paragraphs which are relevan
>>>> in Indian context also,and can help us in understanding the real
>>>> situation of disabled children in better way. These paragraphs are
>>>> worth-reading. Hope all would find time to go through...
>>>> block quote
>>>> Davis (1995) argues that social ontology is heavily weighted towards
>>>> normalcy. The biological and social aberration that inflicts people
>>>> with disabilities ensures that they fail to live up to this standard
>>>> (Snyder and Mitchell 2007). In schools, a 'deliberate act of
>>>> dislocation (Erevelles 2011, 71) therefore forces children with
>>>> impairments into the deficit discourse, because they are regarded as
>>>> being already detached from the normal centre.
>>>> Special education policy and practice is the apparatus that dislocates
>>>> students with disabilities from the mainstream (Erevelles 2011). The
>>>> ambiguity or spectre of inclusion that 'haunts' the lives of people
>>>> labelled with special needs insures that inclusion is simultaneously
>>>> present and absent.
>>>> block quote end
>>>>
>>>> B. Whitburn further writes
>>>>
>>>> block quote
>>>> In primary school I was placed in classes in which teachers were
>>>> confident that they could include me in their classes. However, given
>>>> that I was a slightly abnormal student, they worked closely with
>>>> special education staff at all times to support my integration. I made
>>>> use of a Perkins Braille machine in lessons - a clunky typewriter that
>>>> produces Braille dots on cardboard-like paper (see Figure 1). The
>>>> incessant noise that this machine produced had me relegated to the
>>>> back corner of classrooms away from my peers, where I sat in front of
>>>> large shelves, erected to house the numerous text and reference books
>>>> that the special educational staff had either procured or transcribed
>>>> themselves.
>>>> I was certainly accommodated to participate in mainstream classrooms
>>>> in primary school, and relished in it. Naturally, however, there was
>>>> little use in my attending class when the rest of the students were
>>>> taking a lesson on cursive; as was the custom at the time. Nor, did my
>>>> teachers believe, would there be any point in having me join in on
>>>> Italian lessons - the language that typified languages other than
>>>> english (LOVE) instruction in my primary school. Friday afternoon
>>>> sports would present untold difficulties, and grade-level school camps
>>>> would allegedly create a disconcerting maze-like burden. Implicit
>>>> lists of this nature amassed; thus I was frequently withdrawn from the
>>>> regular education field, and placed in the special educational one to
>>>> continue receiving special instruction. Rather than being included in
>>>> school-run extracurricular activities, all students with VI played
>>>> blind cricket and other VI-specific sports on Fridays. Full article
>>>> can be read at:
>>>> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09687599.2013.844097
>>>> block quote end
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> block quote end
>>>>
>>>> On 7/24/14, Vamshi. G <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was fairly sighted in my school days.  So, no comments about which
>>>>> of the two is better. Just a thought.  How about a special educator in
>>>>> a main stream school who teaches disabled children the special skills
>>>>> that are required to adapt to inclusiveness?  All challenges faced by
>>>>> the child should be reported by the teachers to this educator who can
>>>>> spend time with children in the evenings and mornings to tell what
>>>>> they can do to overcome them.  If I'm not wrong, this concept is what
>>>>> they call as integrated education.  While an ideal inclusive
>>>>> environment implies everyone to be sensitive to the needs of disabled,
>>>>> an integrated education environment involves providing back end
>>>>> support(if it can be called so) to train disabled to adapt to the
>>>>> inclusive environment.  As the child grows older, the need of such an
>>>>> educator should become less, and at  some stage, the child should
>>>>> become completely independent.  May be such older children can guide
>>>>> their younger ones from then onwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/24/14, bhawani shankar verma <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> i started my education in blind school and up to my 8th standard in my
>>>>>> leadership we have defeated many reputed regular public schools in
>>>>>> various
>>>>>> competitions on the occasion of republic day celebration. Please note
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> music competitions are not included in the statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "avinash shahi" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>> concerningthe disabled." <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:50 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vidhya has provided a nuanced account of experiences in regular
>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>> which is intentionally underrated and avoided by proponents of
>>>>>>> inclusive education. I hope many students can narrate similar
>>>>>>> stories.
>>>>>>> Friends it is time we should speak up and write real experiences so
>>>>>>> that experiences are documented and serious discourse is initiated
>>>>>>> with the policy-maker for policy intervention. Any idea if not
>>>>>>> discussed and debated adequately and hastely promoted for actuation;
>>>>>>> may lead to serious ramification. Regular schools can never make you
>>>>>>> feel equal not because you are really not equal  but just think about
>>>>>>> one terminology adopted by governments in their policy documents.
>>>>>>> that is CSN equals (Children with 'special' needs. All recquirements
>>>>>>> of a disabled child are 'special' which will always make him/her
>>>>>>> special for pity and charity from non-special people. I hope many
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> students who are members here will share their experiences of regular
>>>>>>> schools. Come on friends we are more than 25 hundred people on the
>>>>>>> list. Why only 20 to 25 share discuss and debate? language is no
>>>>>>> barrier role your fingers and make issues visible in public domain.
>>>>>>> On 7/24/14, Asudani, Rajesh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well said, vidhya.
>>>>>>>> Still we are apologetic about our experiences in special schools
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> these inclusivists have made feel obsolete in moder era of
>>>>>>>> inclusion.
>>>>>>>> I can also say similar so many good tings about my early education
>>>>>>>> in
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> blind school.
>>>>>>>> At george: yes, we have to work in the society full of sighted.
>>>>>>>> But it is mandatory for early years that foundation is laid with
>>>>>>>> confidence
>>>>>>>> and in an unhindered manner.
>>>>>>>> In the name of inclusion, we may thrust unsuspecting blind children
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a a
>>>>>>>> situation where they themselves won't understand their blindness,
>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>> alone
>>>>>>>> work with confidence in the sighted world.
>>>>>>>> Howsoever we shout that we are no different, the fact remains that
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> different, and we must understand and deal with that different
>>>>>>>> successfully.
>>>>>>>> So, it is better to improve the quality of blind schools instead of
>>>>>>>> forcing
>>>>>>>> blind children upon unwilling and ill equipped sighted schools.
>>>>>>>> Uniformity is not the panacea.
>>>>>>>> Sighted schools also, by the way, are not heavenly for the students
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> with sight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With thanks and regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Assistant General Manager
>>>>>>>> Market Intelligence Unit
>>>>>>>> Reserve Bank of India
>>>>>>>> Nagpur
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel.: 0712 2806358
>>>>>>>> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want
>>>>>>>> them.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Vidhya Y
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:09 PM
>>>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>>>> the disabled.
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>> I would like to Share my Personal Experience regarding Inclusive
>>>>>>>> education from Childhood.
>>>>>>>> this is just my openion.
>>>>>>>> Sorry if I am wrong.
>>>>>>>> according to me, its better if a Blind Child studies atleast primary
>>>>>>>> school in Blind schools.
>>>>>>>> I started studying in a regular School from Standard 8.
>>>>>>>> before that, I Studied at Jyothiseva School for the blind in
>>>> Bangalore.
>>>>>>>> My Mom did not want me to go to Blind School and she would always
>>>>>>>> cry
>>>>>>>> to  leave me in the Hostel because my family is very supportive.
>>>>>>>> but with all the courage she managed to leave me in that school till
>>>>>>>> 7th Grade just because I had to mingle with other children.
>>>>>>>> I would come home once a Week.
>>>>>>>> I  am sure that the quality of education in blind school is far
>>>>>>>> behind
>>>>>>>> the regular School.
>>>>>>>> for example, we were taught algebra and geomatry at very basic level
>>>>>>>> in the Blind school.
>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>> I have enjoyed playing so many Games both out door and indoor with
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> Blind Friends.
>>>>>>>> I have not played any of these games except chess after I left the
>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>> I still remember how we would enjoy going to picknics together.
>>>>>>>> now I dont go to college trip because I am sure that my friends will
>>>>>>>> find it difficult to take me every where.
>>>>>>>> because  I studied in a blind school,
>>>>>>>> I always thank god that I have so many sweet  memories  to tell my
>>>>>>>> Sighted friends even now.
>>>>>>>> I feel that sighted Children are not so comfortable playing outdoor
>>>>>>>> games with blind friends  because its different from what they play.
>>>>>>>> and also I had learnt to do my own work even sweeping, cleaning
>>>>>>>> rooms
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> its obvious that family members are not trained in teaching all the
>>>>>>>> work to Visually challenged.
>>>>>>>> in case of my family, I am sure I would not know a single work
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> my Mom and sisters would do it for me.
>>>>>>>> there were so many vierd students in my Blind school
>>>>>>>> who were admitted after 12 years to first grade for example,
>>>>>>>> there was a girl who did not know how to walk till the age of 12
>>>>>>>> because her parents were not aware how to teach her.
>>>>>>>> there was another girl who did not know that even she can play.
>>>>>>>> isn't it sad that a child doesn't know how to play just because
>>>>>>>> he/she
>>>>>>>> is Blind?now I can think all this but it is not possible as a child
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> think all this.
>>>>>>>> and I would also learn Bharatanatyam
>>>>>>>> in the Blind School.
>>>>>>>> now I dont feel comfortable dancing.
>>>>>>>> I stay in a town and now if people say anything about my Blindness
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> ask me some unwanted questions, I can answer them  in a correct way
>>>>>>>> bravely.
>>>>>>>> but  as a kid I would always cry.
>>>>>>>> then how would I manage to study in a normal school from first
>>>>>>>> grade?
>>>>>>>> I would have lost all my confidence in childhood itself.
>>>>>>>> I would top my class in Blind School so  I knew that I can work hard
>>>>>>>> even in the regular school.
>>>>>>>> in case I would have studied in a regular school from the very
>>>>>>>> beginning, because of lack of support of teachers and Friends or
>>>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>> of study material I would not do well,
>>>>>>>> then How would I know that I can top the School?
>>>>>>>> even though the quality of education was not that great till 7th
>>>> grade,
>>>>>>>> I was able to manage and score 95% in 10th grade and also I have
>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>> BCA and now doing a Research project and I am will take up MS soon.
>>>>>>>> I think I was able to get through so many difficulties in regular
>>>>>>>> High
>>>>>>>> school and college because of the moral support and confidence that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> got from Blind school.
>>>>>>>> In 8th grade as soon as I joined regular school,
>>>>>>>> I missed so much fun and then I realised that I am the only
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> student in the school and could participate only  in games like quiz
>>>>>>>> debate etc.
>>>>>>>> but I was meture enough in 8th grade to understand all that.
>>>>>>>> but before that, how would I understand all this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks and regards,
>>>>>>>> Vidhya
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/24/14, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 100% right Preethi Mam. If we accept the the people as they are and
>>>>>>>>> the situation as it is, we can leed an inclusive life very
>>>>>>>>> successfully.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Renuka.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/24/14, Preeti Monga <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> How about getting non disabled people get included in our disabled
>>>>>>>>>> culture
>>>>>>>>>> instead? This is our culture as much as it is their culture! Mind
>>>>>>>>>> you,
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> all come from inclusive families anyway! How do we avoid that?
>>>>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>>>> children, disabled or non disabled, come crying anyway from
>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>> grounds! We all have to teach our children social skills, and one
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> social skills is; the art of accepting oneself as we are! And to
>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> focus on our strengths and improve upon areas where we are not so
>>>>>>>>>> strong.
>>>>>>>>>> Once  our  confidence is high, which again is how we build it for
>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> children.  I know disability is a singling out point, but the same
>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> discrimination is awarded to Sikh boys and men; the ones who wear
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> hair
>>>>>>>>>> long and a turben and beard! So  is being a  Sickh gentleman also
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>> of a disability?
>>>>>>>>>> This debate can go on for ever; so let us face it: this world is
>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> all kinds and types of humans, we all must claim our share in it,
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> must make the most of all the things we have and give life  our
>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>> shot!
>>>>>>>>>> Preeti
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>>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of avinash shahi
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:31 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>>>>>> the disabled.
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind
>>>>>>>>>> attempted
>>>>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Preeti mam
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> humiliation is pervasive in hierarchical Indian society. It does
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> inspire me to intentially enrol my blind child in a school where
>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>> cries everyday and loses courage to narrate her humiliating story
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> home. I strongly believe I'm very powerful and can coexist in an
>>>>>>>>>> inclusive society. and I have enough cultural/social/economic
>>>> capital
>>>>>>>>>> that my inclusiveness will be based on my understanding of
>>>>>>>>>> disability.
>>>>>>>>>> I can not give in to the pressure imposed upon me by so called
>>>>>>>>>> non-disabled people that you have to behave in a certain way if
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> want to accomodated in our culture. 'Knowledge is power', It is
>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>> time we use power to decide and determine the norms of
>>>> inclusiveness.
>>>>>>>>>> Its enough that non-disabled  people have overarching influence on
>>>>>>>>>> disabled people lives. Off to lunch will get back later.
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/24/14, Preeti Monga <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do we assume that people without disability do not get
>>>>>>>>>>> humiliated
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> others? The human  being enjoys humiliating another human, no
>>>> matter
>>>>>>>>>>> how!
>>>>>>>>>>> Probabely because humiliating someone else, especially those you
>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>> insecure around, makes you feel superior and elated! Even one
>>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>> can be seen humiliating another; then what should we say? I am
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>> that this is a good practice, but that is how life is. As George
>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>> rightly said, it is a good thing to get used to tackeling harsh
>>>>>>>>>>> realities
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> life at an early stage. Do you think that family  easily gives up
>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to humiliate another family member? Blind or not.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> disabled are already suffering so much  that even a little
>>>> harshness
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> cause enormous pain! I agree with George that we blind cannot
>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> isolation and ultimately we have to live in the inclusive
>>>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, we need to learn the tactic of staying put in this
>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> insidently also belongs to us as much as it does to anyone else!
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> can be programmes where people with disabilities are trained to
>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> deal successfully with the harshness life keeps hurdeling at
>>>>>>>>>>> them!
>>>>>>>>>>> Preeti
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Preeti Monga
>>>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +91 9871701646
>>>>>>>>>>> Landline: 011 22781446
>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected]
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>>>> and
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We  assure  high quality service marked with excellence and
>>>> complete
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of George Abraham
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>>>>>>> the disabled.'
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind
>>>>>>>>>>> attempted
>>>>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Consider this Avinash: Once you get out of the education stage of
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> life, you work and live in an inclusive environment. What about
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> humiliation people go through. Inclusion right from early days
>>>>>>>>>>> prepares
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> to deal with the harsh realities of the World. Having said this,
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of work that needs to be done in terms ground preparation of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive education platform. It is inclusive education that also
>>>>>>>>>>> prepares
>>>>>>>>>>> the non disabled population to understand , appreciate and engage
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> disability and people with disability.
>>>>>>>>>>> This subject again can debated.
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of avinash shahi
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 24 July 2014 12:24
>>>>>>>>>>> To: accessindia; jnuvision; sayeverything
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>>>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So what the proponents of Inclusive education say on this?
>>>>>>>>>>> Psychological humiliation leaves more scars ,you know. We do not
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> how many of students go through similar experiences in colleges
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> universities? who cares about them? This teacher must be
>>>>>>>>>>> suspended
>>>>>>>>>>> forthwith. People in Odisha must take the matter with the
>>>>>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>>>>>> authorities. Such teachers who are incensitive to the needs of
>>>>>>>>>>> disabled students and humiliate them the need to be delth sternly
>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> the law enforcing agencies. Do forward this to the people active
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Odisha.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140724/jsp/odisha/story_18646088.jsp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cry for suspension of Utkal faculty
>>>>>>>>>>> OUR CORRESPONDENT
>>>>>>>>>>> Bhubaneswar, July 23: Visually challenged students today sat on a
>>>>>>>>>>> protest before the disability commissioner's office here
>>>>>>>>>>> demanding
>>>>>>>>>>> immediate suspension of the Utkal university faculty Sujit
>>>>>>>>>>> Acharya.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Acharya had allegedly insulted a visually impaired student, who
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> compelled him to attempt suicide.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The students squatted in front of the commissioner's office on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> premises of Capital Hospital, where the victim Chakradhar Dash is
>>>>>>>>>>> admitted since Friday.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Twenty-five-year-old Chakradhar had tried to kill himself after
>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> allegedly humiliated by Acharya in an examination hall on July
>>>>>>>>>>> 17.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dash, a postgraduate student of history under the directorate of
>>>>>>>>>>> distance and continuing education,had gone to the varsity to
>>>>>>>>>>> appear
>>>>>>>>>>> for his semester exam.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chakradhar alleged that the faculty misbehaved with him and made
>>>> fun
>>>>>>>>>>> of him and his scribe before the class asking him to sit near the
>>>>>>>>>>> toilet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Distressed due to the insult, the student had drunk a full bottle
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> phenyl. Friends of the boy, who found him unconscious, rushed him
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the Capital Hospital where he is undergoing treatment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The student alleged that he was regularly cornered by the faculty
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the directorate and had to study without any books or support of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> teachers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "We have initiated an inquiry into the matters and will take
>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>> against anyone found guilty," said director Sasmit Pani
>>>>>>>>>>> directorate
>>>>>>>>>>> of
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Besides suspension of the teacher, the students also demanded the
>>>>>>>>>>> proper supply of Braille books and immediate implementation of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Braille transcription project announced by the government.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A vigilance inquiry must be made into why schemes such as talking
>>>>>>>>>>> books meant to serve hundreds of blinds children has failed to
>>>>>>>>>>> deliver, demanded Joginder, a student.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This apart, the students appealed to the state government as to
>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>> the educational institutions have been continuing collection of
>>>>>>>>>>> fee
>>>>>>>>>>> from the disabled, despite the announcement of the government for
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> fee waiver for such candidates.
>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>> M.Phil Research Scholar
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