Dear all:

This I-D we wrote sometime ago might be also related:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-garcia-core-app-layer-sec-with-dtls-record-00 
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-garcia-core-app-layer-sec-with-dtls-record-00>

Best Regards.

> El 21 nov 2017, a las 11:54, Hannes Tschofenig <[email protected]> 
> escribió:
> 
> Hi Ludwig,
> 
> Carsten pointed me to that document. Mark and I will do a comparison between 
> the different solutions. In any case, it is great to see the level of 
> interest in this and if you attended the TLS WG session then you can 
> certainly appreciate the heated discussion.
> 
> One question I was asked at the IETF meeting was why the HTTP Connect 
> functionality hasn't been defined in CoAP since this would make certain use 
> cases with proxy use simpler.
> For me that's a useful addition but does not cover the entire solution space 
> since I am also consider non-IP based scenarios.
> 
> Ciao
> Hannes
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ace [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ludwig Seitz
> Sent: 21 November 2017 11:07
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Ace] Application Layer TLS
> 
> On 2017-11-21 10:42, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> based on the recent email discussion about the DTLS proxy I thought it
>> might be useful that there was some thinking about how to run TLS/DTLS
>> at the application layer.
>> 
>> There are essentially two drafts that have been submitted at the same
>> time for IETF#100, namely
>> 
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tschofenig-layered-tls-00
>> 
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-friel-tls-over-http-00
>> 
>> Both teams have worked on prototypes and getting it to work was
>> remarkably simple.
>> 
>> Maybe something for this group to look at.
>> 
>> Ciao
>> Hannes
> 
> 
> I have a vague memory of a DICE draft for doing the DTLS handshake over CoAP 
> a long time ago:
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-schmertmann-dice-codtls-00
> 
> Can the original authors tell us why they didn't go further with that 
> approach?
> 
> /Ludwig
> 
> 
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