Not to hijack this thread but, I hope lurking remains free. Dan
> -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, October 13, 2005 2:50 pm > To: <[email protected]> > > > I have found that shooting for your contract salary is as good a target as > any, but expect to miss unless you didn't get a very good contract rate. I > have only seen one case where a company was willing to pay contract level > fees to a FTE and that was back when I first got back into the industry (I > burned out on it back when I was about 21 or so and left it) and had been > completely screwed over by the contract house for my rate where they were > making at least as much as I was. When I said I was leaving the FTE offer I > received would have been a 60% raise from my previous salary. Unfortunately, > the new contract position I was taking was a 100%+ increase and with OT > (which you don't get as a FTE) ended up being a 200% increase. > > Anyway, you tend to take a considerable hit (I have seen reductions of > 20%-75% for FTE offers and all but one of which I turned down cold) but you > try to make it up in benefits such as vaca, retirement, insurance, etc. As a > contractor you tend to have a different mindset than as an FTE as well. As a > contractor it is jump for the money and your mind should always be ready to > make that jump. As FTE it seems people get in a rut and don't want to move > once they start to get a feeling of ownership. Personally I wouldn't be an > FTE but for a very small handful of companies where I really like and respect > the management. My manager I have now is probably one of the best managers in > the universe, he is certainly the best I have had to this point in my > "career" and I have had several good managers. He is the kind of guy that you > love or hate, if you aren't above the curve, you hate him. But then I have > often been described as the person you love or hate myself. I had one manager > once say of me, "joe is the Bill Lambeer of IT, if he is on y our team you feel great and you love him. If he isn't, you want to kill him.". Another said "joe is worth his weight in gold and he ain't a small guy...". After I heard that one I went and asked for a raise. Somehow I failed. > > Every time I have negotiated with someone on any job I always just ask up > front, so what salary or rate are you thinking. If the range is some > ridiculous range like $50k-$300k which headhunters like to do because they > think they are bright or something I tell the person they need to give a more > realistic range of somewhere within $10k and it better not be pumped up with > possible bonuses (Bonuses are not salary). If they can't or won't, spend your > time elsewhere. > > > Keep in mind, whatever rate you ask for, make sure it covers sending gifts of > beer and chocolate and possibly money to the members of this list for keeping > your head above water. I don't think any single person has generated such a > volume in the number of questions asked since I have been watching this list. > It actually made me wonder at one point if Tony could somehow arrange it so > that people pay for every question asked and they get credit for every answer > given that people vote on and say is a good answer. If no one can answer the > question (note that isn't the same as the answer doesn't work for someone for > whatever localized reason) then full refund. > > joe > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:37 PM > To: activedirectory > Subject: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > > > well, i've been consulting for 2 months full time for a company and now they > want to make me an offer to work for them(yeah,i'm amazed too..) > At first it was a head/senior AD position but now they want to throw in > Exchange in the mix. > they used to outsource all their windows infrastructure and during my tenure > there, they took it back so they have no AD/Exchange people. > > This is a 3000 user finanical corp in Manhattan. > > my question is, what kind of salary would one expect for a such a position, > taking into account the bussiness and location and size. > > > thanks List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
