Oh just a joke, I don't think Tony would do it. Though I wouldn't mind Tony occasionally posting the lurker list, I am curious as to how many people I am getting mad at me any given day. :o)
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Gilbert Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) Not to hijack this thread but, I hope lurking remains free. Dan > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, October 13, 2005 2:50 pm > To: <[email protected]> > > > I have found that shooting for your contract salary is as good a target as any, but expect to miss unless you didn't get a very good contract rate. I have only seen one case where a company was willing to pay contract level fees to a FTE and that was back when I first got back into the industry (I burned out on it back when I was about 21 or so and left it) and had been completely screwed over by the contract house for my rate where they were making at least as much as I was. When I said I was leaving the FTE offer I received would have been a 60% raise from my previous salary. Unfortunately, the new contract position I was taking was a 100%+ increase and with OT (which you don't get as a FTE) ended up being a 200% increase. > > Anyway, you tend to take a considerable hit (I have seen reductions of > 20%-75% for FTE offers and all but one of which I turned down cold) > but you try to make it up in benefits such as vaca, retirement, > insurance, etc. As a contractor you tend to have a different mindset > than as an FTE as well. As a contractor it is jump for the money and > your mind should always be ready to make that jump. As FTE it seems > people get in a rut and don't want to move once they start to get a > feeling of ownership. Personally I wouldn't be an FTE but for a very > small handful of companies where I really like and respect the > management. My manager I have now is probably one of the best managers > in the universe, he is certainly the best I have had to this point in > my "career" and I have had several good managers. He is the kind of > guy that you love or hate, if you aren't above the curve, you hate > him. But then I have often been described as the person you love or > hate myself. I had one manager once say of me, "joe is the Bill > Lambeer of IT, if he is on y our team you feel great and you love him. If he isn't, you want to kill him.". Another said "joe is worth his weight in gold and he ain't a small guy...". After I heard that one I went and asked for a raise. Somehow I failed. > > Every time I have negotiated with someone on any job I always just ask up front, so what salary or rate are you thinking. If the range is some ridiculous range like $50k-$300k which headhunters like to do because they think they are bright or something I tell the person they need to give a more realistic range of somewhere within $10k and it better not be pumped up with possible bonuses (Bonuses are not salary). If they can't or won't, spend your time elsewhere. > > > Keep in mind, whatever rate you ask for, make sure it covers sending gifts of beer and chocolate and possibly money to the members of this list for keeping your head above water. I don't think any single person has generated such a volume in the number of questions asked since I have been watching this list. It actually made me wonder at one point if Tony could somehow arrange it so that people pay for every question asked and they get credit for every answer given that people vote on and say is a good answer. If no one can answer the question (note that isn't the same as the answer doesn't work for someone for whatever localized reason) then full refund. > > joe > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:37 PM > To: activedirectory > Subject: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > > > well, i've been consulting for 2 months full time for a company and > now they want to make me an offer to work for them(yeah,i'm amazed too..) At first it was a head/senior AD position but now they want to throw in Exchange in the mix. > they used to outsource all their windows infrastructure and during my tenure there, they took it back so they have no AD/Exchange people. > > This is a 3000 user finanical corp in Manhattan. > > my question is, what kind of salary would one expect for a such a position, taking into account the bussiness and location and size. > > > thanks List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
