Well done Laura.  Though I hadn't heard the bit about the KMS server not
talking to Microsoft (admittedly I have not read the document yet, I've
just read a lot about it in the beta NG discussions.  Do you suppose
that is the same level of "not reporting to Microsoft" that WGA did?
ows_genuine_advantage.html   One thing that is talked about a fair bit
that you didn't mention is that the KMS server doesn't activate clients
until it reaches a threshold of 25 client requests.   This was stated a
number of times by Microsoft people in the newsgroups.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:46 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Vista Activation and KMS


Okay, let me see if I can summarize this in a gazillion words or less...


There are two types of activations for Vista- MAK activation and KMS


MAK activation works much like an MSDN subscription. You tell Microsoft
how many MAK activations you want to purchase. Microsoft sells you a MAK
key with that many activations. A machine that is activated via MAK
activation never has to renew. A MAK-activated client either directly
contacts Microsoft servers for activation or (in 2007, when the VAMT
tool is released) it activates against a proxy in your company that
"feeds" the activation to Microsoft activation servers. If you reinstall
the OS and specify MAK activation again, then that will use another of
your allocated activations. MAK activation is designed for machines that
are NEVER connected to your network (VPN counts as connected) in any
given six-month period. Therefore, we're talking about a machine that
goes out your door and you don't see it again for a very long time. MAK
keys should not be commonly or lightly used. In the reinstall scenario,
much as you can now, you can contact Microsoft at that time and explain
the situation and get another activation. 


KMS host against a Microsoft activation server, and your KMS clients get
activated by YOUR KMS host. Once a week, they try to renew. If renewal
is successful, the KMS client now has six months from that day to renew
again. The client will still renew once a week and will be extending
that six month window each time. In other words, you always have six
months from initial activation or renewal of activation before the
client MUST contact a KMS host again. If it's day 179 and your KMS host
has been down that entire time, when you bring it back up on day 179,
your clients can renew their activations for another six months. During
those 179 days while the KMS host was down, they are unaffected unless
their 180 days of validity expired during that time and they were unable
to locate and contact another KMS server.


If you reinstall the OS on a KMS-activated client, IT DOESN'T MATTER,
because Microsoft doesn't track KMS clients. In fact, even the KMS
server only keeps track of the last fifty activations it has performed.
Now, if you want to keep this information for your own records, you can
easily extract it from the event logs or you can use the MOM management
pack for KMS.


With KMS activation, you are simply saying to Microsoft, "we anticipate
that we will have 10,000 [or whatever] Vista clients. Therefore, we'll
pay you for that many Vista clients." That's the end of the story as far
as Microsoft is concerned. If you exceed 10,000 active Vista clients,
then you're in violation of your agreement, but Microsoft won't know
about it via some magic mechanism. KMS-activated clients don't talk to
Microsoft. They talk to your KMS host. 


The step-by-step guide I referenced tends to look dry and overwhelming
to people and I suspect that many folks don't really sit down and take
the time to read it thoroughly (can't blame 'em), but it really is all
explained there.




Hopefully I didn't put any typos or other doofusness in the above; it's
been a bad week for me when it comes to typing. :-)



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Wade
        Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:40 AM
        To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
        Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Vista Activation and KMS

        I have read all this, and it seems any thing but straight
forward to me. It looks like we are going to have to invest a lot more
money in managing licenses.


        I could also find nothing about what happens if we need to
re-install Windows. It appears we need to re-activate, and it appears as
its a new sid it will use a second license... Any one any pointers on




                From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
                Sent: 05 December 2006 00:57
                To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
                Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Vista Activation and KMS

                Actually, it is clearly documented, along with a lot
more information on KMS, MAK and Vista Volume Activation (btw, Volume
Licensing doesn't exist in Vista; VL and VA are not the same things).
You probably don't want to get me started on a big long explanation of
how volume activation works, so I'll just point you to this site:




                I highly recommend both the FAQ and the step-by-step
guide. The latter provides information on how to change from KMS to MAK
and vice versa (there are several ways), as well as documentation of
defaults, configuration options, etc.







                        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Vander Kooi
                        Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 2:44 PM
                        To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
                        Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Vista Activation
and KMS

                        You need to go to Control Panel > System then at
the bottom select Change Product Key. This will allow you to enter your
VL key which will result in Vista activating via the web. Definitely not
well documented unfortunately.


                        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
                        Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:45 AM
                        To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
                        Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Vista Activation and


                        I was testing out the RTM of Vista Enterprise
last night and noticed I didn't have to enter a key at any point during
the install. When Windows tried to activate, it told me there was a DNS
error, so I suspected it looks for a local activation server by default.
Sure enough, in the DNS cache was a lookup for a nonexistent
_vlmcs._tcp.domain.com. Upon further research, it appears Microsoft has
not released KMS yet, and I couldn't find any option to activate
directly with Microsoft. For the moment, is telephone activation the
only option?

                        Brian Cline, Applications Developer 
                        Department of Information Technology 
                        G&P Trucking Company, Inc. 
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                        800.922.1147 Toll-Free (x8595) 
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