Thamer Al-Harbash wrote:
>
> It's not about segregation. I've seen a presentation at a LUG by a
> female. Surprisingly there were more women in the audience than
> usual. I'm pretty certain the all-male-dominated meetings don't
> exactly draw out the young 21 year old hackeress who is considering
> installing Linux and hacking GNOME. The simple fact is if you bring
> women together they seem to click on a completely different level
> than men.

So have more female presenters. I have to agree that my initial
reaction to it was "why do the girls need their own group?" Perhaps a
better idea is to have a nearby gathering before your usual LUG
meetings for women who want to meet ahead of time and go together?

You seem to be just rejecting the advice of the few women on this list
out of hand ... when we're the audience you're looking for. This is a
prime example of why so many women are turned off by male dominated
groups, fyi. The phrase "alpha geek" is also a pretty male thing. I'm
not going after you here or anything, I am trying to explain a female
perspective.
>
> I've been accused of wanting to date this whole SIG I've considered
> starting up, and I've been accused of what seems like prejudice
> toward women. If I continue I fear I'll be slandered more.

No, you haven't been accused of any such thing. I was saying that, as
a woman, that would one thought when seeing a guy start such a group,
and this would certainly not entice me to show up. I say this because
I've experienced such things. I say this because it can be dangerous
to mention I know Linux in any forum where there are geeks hanging out
because they start drooling on me. And I'm no supermodel. That is the
experience of the woman in geek culture. Listen to us and maybe you
can up your number of female attendees.

Any time I've attended something at VanLUG I have not been the only
female present. It's not that they have huge numbers of women but
there are those who show up.
>
> You know what? I'm hoping a stalwart and adventerous geek girl
> starts up something in Toronto and other major cities across Canada
> to do more than just subscribe to mailing lists and give "C
> courses." I'm certainly stepping away from this ticking time bomb.

Um, what are "C courses?" Do I even want to know? Folks have already
mentioned the women's Linux group that exists, I concur, talk to them.
>
> How positively silly. Shame on you Dee-Ann.

Take some deep breaths and stop assuming you're under attack.

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Dee-Ann LeBlanc
Computer Writer, Linux Specialist
LinuxPlanet Reporter
http://www.Dee-AnnLeBlanc.com/


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