roomsearching wrote: ...... > > 1. what you gave me was Peter Gay's idea of enlightenment. This was > > his. What is yours? > > For example : > Lets say you ask me how I wipe my ass after taking a shit. I find that > someone else has already described it in an efficient way. I am in complete > agreement with that. So I paste that answer for you to read.
Kali: although I do not mind being given definitions, I would rather receive the entity's understanding of enlightenment. I had already pointed out that the nexus was not about its definition but in your understanding of it. >> Why would you interested in my answer ? Is it because you doubt that I do >> not know how to > wipe my arse ? Kali: Syntax is not so important in a spiritual forum. But just learn to arrange the words correctly. ============================================= > > 2. the point I made in my post was not about definitions i.e. how do > > you define enlightenment but the point was about "is enlightenment one > > more thing you are going to add to your person"? > > It is not add on anything to that person. It is like a girl losing > virginity. She does not add on anything. She just loses her hymen. Kali: and, if the girl loses her hymen, then, you: what is it that you have lost by becoming enlightened? Can you make your point please? Incidentally, men have a virginity too. ================================================ And once > you lose it you are no more a virgin. She is still the same, but she is > different forever. Kali: B.S. ================================================ She knows a lot more about herself through that > experience. And that changes her life. Maybe for some sluts, it doesnt mean > much. Kali: so, you have two categories of women either "virgins" or "sluts". Isn't your view a bit restrictive? Considering that in the past 30 years, women have been able to go out and choose their partners as and how they liked them. How does your comment fits in with what is happening? Do you resent them or, perhaps, by attaching labels such as "virgins" or "sluts" you, consciously or unconsciously, desire to exert some sort of control over the women and their sexuality? Isn't the whole issue of putting in place taboos, use morality to restrict their sexuality, banning and branding women as "sluts" a way of controlling women and their lives? ==================================================== But yeah, enlightenment is a weird thing. Kali: it may be weird to the mind. But if it is realized that all there is is this (Here and Now), would you say that enlightenment may be the most ordinary thing that there is? Respectfully Kali > > > > > > > Peace ... > > > Kali > > > On Aug 3, 5:12 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > enlightenment <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=enlightenment> > > [image: > > > Look up enlightenment at > > > Dictionary.com]<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enlightenment > > >1660s, > > > from enlighten <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=enlighten> + > > > -ment<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=-ment>. > > > Only ever used in figurative sense, of spiritual enlightenment, etc. > > > Attested from 1865 as a translation of Ger. Aufklärung, a name for the > > > spirit and system of Continental philosophers in the 18c. > > > > The philosophy of the Enlightenment insisted on man's essential autonomy: > > > man is responsible to himself, to his own rational interests, to his > > > self-development, and, by an inescapable extension, to the welfare of his > > > fellow man. For the philosophes, man was not a sinner, at least not by > > > nature; human nature -- and this argument was subversive, in fact > > > revolutionary, in their day -- is by origin good, or at least neutral. > > > Despite the undeniable power of man's antisocial passions, therefore, the > > > individual may hope for improvement through his own efforts -- through > > > education, participation in politics, activity in behalf of reform, but > > not > > > through prayer. [Peter Gay, "The Enlightenment"] > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "We know what is the meaning of protesting. You don't have to give the > > > > latin > > > > roots for everything". > > > > > Roomsearching ...Derived from the Latin Roa meaning redundant, and the > > > > Latin serc meaning Jackass. > > > > > On Aug 3, 9:07 am, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > . > > > > > > Yep ……….. I am with you Bob. Religion, for too long, has been the > > > > > excuse for discrimination, war, murder and greed. I still don’t > > > > > think Moses, Jesus and Mohammed where mistaken. When we see human > > > > > corruption and realise how fundamental it is to mankind. We must do > > > > > all within our power to counter balance. The corruption will always > > > > > be there, regardless of the shifting and changing of human > > > > > behaviour. Because corruption exists then so too does purity. > > With > > > > > all due respect and humility to the illusion of conscious awareness, > > > > > we must strive to shine light into the darkness. > > > > > > Emancipation, liberation and freedom where never designed for the > > > > > collective human society. The corruption constant throughout our > > > > > history will ensure this. > > > > > > Emancipation, liberation and freedom is designed for the individual. > > > > > It’s there for the self to create and experience, not the masses. > > > > > > But don’t spread this knowledge around, it will spoil the global > > > > > businesses of religion, and they may just try to nail you to a > > cross, > > > > > stick spears in your heart then ridicule and condemn you. Then > > > > > build a religion your edited teachings. > > > > > > Freedom is seeing the essential paths through darkness to light. > > > > > Then living freely today. > > > > > > . > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2:19 pm, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Painfully conditioned to be Protestant (Christian). > > > > > > From the Latin protestari meaning publicly declare/protest. > > > > > > Mainly protesting Roman Catholic orthodoxy. > > > > > > We don't like your church rules so we are going to start are own > > > > > > church and create rules that "suit us" you know, rules that we can > > > > > > follow that don't burden our everyday lives. > > > > > > Rules that might get us to God with the least resistance. > > > > > > Were going to scream hell fire into our children s ears until they > > > > > > bleed. > > > > > > The concept of burning in hell will be so deep seeded that they > > will > > > > > > listen and obey to all of our rules throughout their entire > > adulthood. > > > > > > Now to finance all this ----- oh here ----- 10% ------ Yes 10% of > > all > > > > > > income should be given to the church. > > > > > > You know it's a sin to be greedy. > > > > > > Remember hell? > > > > > > > Huh? ....wha? ........I blacked out ........what happened? > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 6:50 am, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Present Opinion .......... > > > > > > > > Born a Christian but now see ugliness and beauty in all > > religions. > > > > > > > Dogma is power, power is corruption, ultimate powered is > > ultimate > > > > > > > corruption. In this, business and religion are the same. > > > > > > > > My religion is now. My temple is here. > > > > > > > Circumstance dictates therefore, circumstance is God. > > > > > > > > “I am” convinced that this is the true metaphorical message of > > all > > > > > > > the great enlightened masters, throughout all of our history. > > From > > > > > > > the beginning of humans. > > > > > > > > There is only God (what ever name you prefer) ………………………….. no > > other. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 12:09 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just to remind you that Advaita is a part of Hindu religion. > > > > > > > > > But to be honest, everybody follows his own religion because no > > two > > > > people's > > > > > > > > minds are the same. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here we all are, from different countries, discussing > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > And I am wondering... > > > > > > > > > > What Religion were you brought up with? > > > > > > > > > > What do you believe now? > > > > > > > > > > Sent from an iPhone- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
