On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote:
> > roomsearching wrote: > ...... > > > 1. what you gave me was Peter Gay's idea of enlightenment. This was > > > his. What is yours? > > > > For example : > > Lets say you ask me how I wipe my ass after taking a shit. I find that > > someone else has already described it in an efficient way. I am in > complete > > agreement with that. So I paste that answer for you to read. > > Kali: although I do not mind being given definitions, I would rather > receive the entity's understanding of enlightenment. I had already > pointed out that the nexus was not about its definition but in your > understanding of it. > It is like you are asking a man who is on weed to describe the experience. I would not give a damn about explaining it to you because it is simply a fantastic experience and there seems no further need to explain it to you. You believe me as being in a wonderful state. If you don't believe it, why would I even bother ? > > >> Why would you interested in my answer ? Is it because you doubt that I > do not know how to > > wipe my arse ? > > Kali: Syntax is not so important in a spiritual forum. But just learn > to arrange the words correctly. > Ok. Don't be a grammar nazi. You got the point. There is no misterious eliment in my writing. > > ============================================= > > > > > 2. the point I made in my post was not about definitions i.e. how do > > > you define enlightenment but the point was about "is enlightenment one > > > more thing you are going to add to your person"? > > > > It is not add on anything to that person. It is like a girl losing > > virginity. She does not add on anything. She just loses her hymen. > > Kali: and, if the girl loses her hymen, then, you: what is it that you > have lost by becoming enlightened? Can you make your point please? > Incidentally, men have a virginity too. > You have lost your ego after enlightenment. > > ================================================ > > And once > > you lose it you are no more a virgin. She is still the same, but she is > > different forever. > > Kali: B.S. > An awakened person's life is totally transformed. > ================================================ > She knows a lot more about herself through that > > experience. And that changes her life. Maybe for some sluts, it doesnt > mean > > much. > > Kali: so, you have two categories of women either "virgins" or > "sluts". Isn't your view a bit restrictive? Considering that in the > past 30 years, women have been able to go out and choose their > partners as and how they liked them. How does your comment fits in > with what is happening? Do you resent them or, perhaps, by attaching > labels such as "virgins" or "sluts" you, consciously or unconsciously, > desire to exert some sort of control over the women and their > sexuality? > > Isn't the whole issue of putting in place taboos, use morality to > restrict their sexuality, banning and branding women as "sluts" a way > of controlling women and their lives? > There are women who remember their first sex as the most beautiful thing. There are some who get the job done with some random bloke and have a bad painful memory of it - whom i call sluts. > > > > ==================================================== > But yeah, enlightenment is a weird thing. > > Kali: it may be weird to the mind. But if it is realized that all > there is is this (Here and Now), would you say that enlightenment may > be the most ordinary thing that there is? > It is extremely ordinary. But its very extraordinary to meet an awakened person. > > Respectfully > > > Kali > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace ... > > > > > Kali > > > > > On Aug 3, 5:12 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > enlightenment < > http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=enlightenment> > > > [image: > > > > Look up enlightenment at > > > > Dictionary.com]< > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enlightenment > > > >1660s, > > > > from enlighten <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=enlighten> > + > > > > -ment<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=-ment>. > > > > Only ever used in figurative sense, of spiritual enlightenment, etc. > > > > Attested from 1865 as a translation of Ger. Aufklärung, a name for > the > > > > spirit and system of Continental philosophers in the 18c. > > > > > > The philosophy of the Enlightenment insisted on man's essential > autonomy: > > > > man is responsible to himself, to his own rational interests, to his > > > > self-development, and, by an inescapable extension, to the welfare of > his > > > > fellow man. For the philosophes, man was not a sinner, at least not > by > > > > nature; human nature -- and this argument was subversive, in fact > > > > revolutionary, in their day -- is by origin good, or at least > neutral. > > > > Despite the undeniable power of man's antisocial passions, therefore, > the > > > > individual may hope for improvement through his own efforts -- > through > > > > education, participation in politics, activity in behalf of reform, > but > > > not > > > > through prayer. [Peter Gay, "The Enlightenment"] > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "We know what is the meaning of protesting. You don't have to give > the > > > > > latin > > > > > roots for everything". > > > > > > > Roomsearching ...Derived from the Latin Roa meaning redundant, and > the > > > > > Latin serc meaning Jackass. > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 9:07 am, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Yep ……….. I am with you Bob. Religion, for too long, has been > the > > > > > > excuse for discrimination, war, murder and greed. I still don’t > > > > > > think Moses, Jesus and Mohammed where mistaken. When we see > human > > > > > > corruption and realise how fundamental it is to mankind. We > must do > > > > > > all within our power to counter balance. The corruption will > always > > > > > > be there, regardless of the shifting and changing of human > > > > > > behaviour. Because corruption exists then so too does purity. > > > With > > > > > > all due respect and humility to the illusion of conscious > awareness, > > > > > > we must strive to shine light into the darkness. > > > > > > > > Emancipation, liberation and freedom where never designed for the > > > > > > collective human society. The corruption constant throughout > our > > > > > > history will ensure this. > > > > > > > > Emancipation, liberation and freedom is designed for the > individual. > > > > > > It’s there for the self to create and experience, not the masses. > > > > > > > > But don’t spread this knowledge around, it will spoil the global > > > > > > businesses of religion, and they may just try to nail you to a > > > cross, > > > > > > stick spears in your heart then ridicule and condemn you. Then > > > > > > build a religion your edited teachings. > > > > > > > > Freedom is seeing the essential paths through darkness to light. > > > > > > Then living freely today. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2:19 pm, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Painfully conditioned to be Protestant (Christian). > > > > > > > From the Latin protestari meaning publicly declare/protest. > > > > > > > Mainly protesting Roman Catholic orthodoxy. > > > > > > > We don't like your church rules so we are going to start are > own > > > > > > > church and create rules that "suit us" you know, rules that we > can > > > > > > > follow that don't burden our everyday lives. > > > > > > > Rules that might get us to God with the least resistance. > > > > > > > Were going to scream hell fire into our children s ears until > they > > > > > > > bleed. > > > > > > > The concept of burning in hell will be so deep seeded that > they > > > will > > > > > > > listen and obey to all of our rules throughout their entire > > > adulthood. > > > > > > > Now to finance all this ----- oh here ----- 10% ------ Yes 10% > of > > > all > > > > > > > income should be given to the church. > > > > > > > You know it's a sin to be greedy. > > > > > > > Remember hell? > > > > > > > > > Huh? ....wha? ........I blacked out ........what happened? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 6:50 am, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > Present Opinion .......... > > > > > > > > > > Born a Christian but now see ugliness and beauty in all > > > religions. > > > > > > > > Dogma is power, power is corruption, ultimate powered is > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > corruption. In this, business and religion are the same. > > > > > > > > > > My religion is now. My temple is here. > > > > > > > > Circumstance dictates therefore, circumstance is God. > > > > > > > > > > “I am” convinced that this is the true metaphorical message > of > > > all > > > > > > > > the great enlightened masters, throughout all of our history. > > > From > > > > > > > > the beginning of humans. > > > > > > > > > > There is only God (what ever name you prefer) ………………………….. > no > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 12:09 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just to remind you that Advaita is a part of Hindu > religion. > > > > > > > > > > > But to be honest, everybody follows his own religion > because no > > > two > > > > > people's > > > > > > > > > minds are the same. > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here we all are, from different countries, discussing > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > And I am wondering... > > > > > > > > > > > > What Religion were you brought up with? > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you believe now? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from an iPhone- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
