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Only Opinion …………. Law and order are the minimum requirement to stabilise an unstable community. Leaders throughout history knew this. Religion, Kings and governments strive to maintain a grip on the control of their communities. The historic biblical metaphor of the emancipation of the Egyptian slaves. To wander the wilderness in hope of the promised land. Sound familiar ? Each successive community has allegorically been the same. All leaders know this. Providing the masses are given regular doses of consumerism, elitism, judgement and denial, They remain in their spiritual wilderness. When the natural urge to progress spiritually surfaces, then they go to church. The masses are co-ursed to conform. Whether it be for the perpetuation of business or religion. Please note this is opinion only …………. Paradoxically, Awakening to the true depths and breath of the self is fundamental to all religions. It’s just that the corrupt nature of man will always take an advantage where possible. This principle of Advaita turns it all on it’s head. Non-duality makes all equal. No separations. Good and evil become one. Very confusing at first but simply beautiful when understood. In my option, The Buddha, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed all understood The unity of the whole and teach acceptance, love, celebration and sincere endeavour are the key attitudes for people to harmonise and build communities. In theory there is no need for law and order if all mankind could live this way. We would still evolve. There would still be business. There would still places of worship. But they would exist because community built and maintained them, and gave freely. (business without greed) I still think this will happen eventually, it’s the only sustainable solution to human social order. Yet, It’s just going to take a few more thousand years. Not to worry, we will still be here, only our names might change. . On Aug 4, 10:59 am, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote: > People go to the Courts and Judges of their own countries with the > expectation of seeing justice done. What they actually find is a legal > system that favours the ones who can afford the best QC and knows how > to "the system works" (timeframes, arguments, negotiations, delays etc > etc). In most cases, justice is not done and is not even seen to be > done. > > Hence, the reason many people resort to religion for justice i.e. in > the hope to get justice in an afterlife. > > Also, don't forget that the doctrine of Karma was created shortly > after the doctrine of no-personal-choice was created. The Kings were > worried that, if people would think that the people were allowed to do > whatever they wanted, they feared that the poor would revolt against > them. Hence, they paid (bribed) the Brahmins who come out with the > idea that if the untouchables were so poor was because of something > they did in their previou lives (law of karma). As the masses trusted > and believed their Brahmins, they accepted to continue to live in > their low conditions and to live in poverty because the Brahmins said > so. > > Love > > A > > On Aug 4, 10:30 am, Anandanand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Kali, > > > > as far as the local laws,rules and regulations are concerned, then, I > > > have to abide and respect them. As a citizen of a country, it would be > > > foolish and disrespecful to do otherwise. They are meant to allow > > > society to function as a whole. > > > So is Religion. The Judiciary has it's own drawback, so does religion. > > The difference being, the things are tangible, in most cases, in > > Judiciary, where as they are mostly intangible in the case of > > religion, making it in the form of beliefs. All this IMO. > > > In most places in the world, Judiciary has it's benifits. And places > > where it doesn't, are mostly in chaos. > > > On Aug 4, 12:14 pm, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Anandanand > > > > as far as the local laws,rules and regulations are concerned, then, I > > > have to abide and respect them. As a citizen of a country, it would be > > > foolish and disrespecful to do otherwise. They are meant to allow > > > society to function as a whole. > > > > However, I do not see them as "beliefs" , I see them more as > > > instruments as part of the machinery put in place to run society.And, > > > of course, there is the right and the wrong of any law or regulation > > > and this can be taken personally or not as a belief or a personal > > > stand. > > > > Regards > > > > Kali > > > > On Aug 4, 6:46 am, Anandanand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Kali, > > > > > > I meant "do not believe in anything (religion included)" > > > > > Do you say the same for the trafic rules or the penal code ? I think > > > > not, just because that will penalise you materially. > > > > > On Aug 4, 2:04 am, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I meant "do not believe in anything (religion included)" as in every > > > > > possible thing. However,I suppose that when I say "I do not believe in > > > > > anything" I do not really mean as in "in anything" or "completely". I > > > > > still have my attachments but I do not have, anylonger, "strong" > > > > > beliefs of any sort. > > > > > > I tend to question more often than I should. > > > > > > You know the saying "when you see a Buddha in the road, kill him > > > > > (metaphorically)". > > > > > > Yours > > > > > > Kali > > > > > > On Aug 3, 10:56 pm, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Kali, when you say you do not believe in anything, are you meaning > > > > > > you > > > > > > do not believe in any particular religion,or do you really mean > > > > > > anything...at all? > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:26 am, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I feel like doing a RS: > > > > > > > > there is no Religion > > > > > > > > there is no belief.. > > > > > > > > etc etc.. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Kali > > > > > > > > PS: raised and brought up as Roman Catholic. My beliefs were many, > > > > > > > but, nowadays, I cannot say I believe in anything at all > > > > > > > (seriously!). > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 11:04 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here we all are, from different countries, discussing > > > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > And I am wondering... > > > > > > > > > What Religion were you brought up with? > > > > > > > > > What do you believe now? > > > > > > > > > Sent from an iPhone- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
