as far as I know Nis. NEVER said; repeat the phrase I AM on the contrary, he promoted silent, non-conceptual awareness
but like you said, it's the people who re-write the history books who get it wrong, usually to promote their propaganda On Sep 9, 4:15 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > Marcus > > Einstein and Newton were both self-realised, they were clear about reality, > living from the distinctions of matter and consciousness. > > It is the scientists that try to learn about the work of Einstein or Newton > and then teach it to others who fuck it all up. > > Nisargadatta becomes an icon for all us mere mortals to use as an expression > of self? > > I am? > > FUCK OFF > > All these stupid videos of gurus on the internet repeating the phrase "I am" > with this look on their face like "look at ME this really MEANS something > because I can FEEL it in my heart" > > DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB SHIT > > Not what the man was saying at all > > Don't follow the man > > Look for yourself > > REAL NOT REAL SAME DIFFERENT SAME > > Can't be explained in the words you used before > > So why bother trying > > Words belittle it > > I AM? > > STUPID > > No you are not - and that isn't it either > > The quantum self video was good though > > entertainment > > On 9 September 2010 10:31, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > . > > > Thanks Roomy, > > > Quit right. The real joke is about science is, it’s arrogance to > > the principle that we should all worship the God of logic and reason. > > The great and glorious 2+2=4 world where all is constantly bound by > > conformity and ridge lines of dualism. The joke is that science by > > it’s very delusion of reality can never rest. Science has no human > > ability to relax. Science as an attitude can not choose peace, or > > surrender with expressions like “Fuck the world” Science is doomed > > to frustration because every conclusion it creates will then create > > new questions. A world doom to infinite questions. That’s why > > Newton, Einstein and theorist of today torture themselves with finding > > the mathematical solution of everything. > > > Thankfully we as humans can reach a stage in our thinking where > > stillness and silence provide all the answers necessary to know in > > your heart that this is a beautiful day. > > > Beyond that, knowledge is futile to the overall objective of having a > > good day. > > > Know that, all this creation in this ever-present moment is, in > > divine perfection. > > > It just looks messy sometimes as circumstance works it’s > > magic. > > > . > > On Sep 8, 3:43 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > consciousness is subtler than space because even that space is formed in > > the > > > screen of our consciousness. > > > This is what Nisargadatta says and i find it is somewhat correct. > > > > The mystery of the physical universe cannot be solved according to Buddha > > > because the delve into, the more basic particles you find. > > > > According to a quantum physicist Amit Goswami, even the world is not real > > > because our consciousness causes the ever changing wave property of the > > > universe to collapse and it gives us an illusory stillness. The world is > > not > > > still, it is continuously in motion. > > > But I think the real stillness is probably in our own pure consciousness. > > > The video is here ----http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42mrdhKwRA > > > > From what I gather so far, consciousness is the most basic property of > > the > > > universe. Pure awareness exists whether it is in a body or even without > > a > > > body. Being is not necessarily physical in nature. Being itself is a > > basic > > > property of the universe. In fact, the universe appears in this Being. So > > it > > > is actually that the universe is inside us rather than we being in the > > > universe. This being is ----ONE. There is only one pure being. Hence it > > is > > > called Brahman or non-duality or Advaita. This is what Ramana says. The > > Self > > > supports everything. > > > > One who gets this point clearly can continue further and do miracles > > like > > > walking on water or be in two different places at the same time(Ramana > > did > > > this) or clairvoyance and clairaudience. > > > > So literally, everything you see is inside you. And that you is not the > > body > > > (rolling on the floor laughing.). Get the 'I am the body' idea out of > > your > > > head for good. Because it is the first and the last belief that needs to > > be > > > eradicated. (laughing out loud and laughing my ass off). > > > > consciousness cannot be understood by quantum physicists because there > > are a > > > lot of erratic problems they have encountered in the deepest levels of > > the > > > atom - like one thing being at two places at the same time and such other > > > stories (laughing out loud). > > > > This is why I do not take part in your poetic discussions anymore because > > > this shit is mind boggling and serious business. This is why I was trying > > to > > > do astral projection and stuff like that. You can do many things if u > > > practice stuff using your awareness. (fuck the world) > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Marcus <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > . > > > > > Yes, and what of those atoms which make up my hands and my eye- > > > > balls. Do they too have a right to vote in a pretend democracy ?? > > > > > Does the occurrence of an electron within it’s probability wave relate > > > > to a single atom or many ?? > > > > > If infinity and zero where to have a baby what would it be > > > > called ???? don't say One ??? > > > > > There is no physical measure for conscious awareness. Atomic > > > > structure, Newton and Einstein happily record and predict tangible > > > > pattern behaviours. These alone rest in a non-human world where > > > > every solution creates multiple questions. Great fun and very > > > > intellectually simulating but does very little to help me understand > > > > what it is to be me. The physicality of the phenomena surrounding me > > > > does nothing to help me gets to grips with love, hate, beauty, > > > > revelation, stupidity and brilliance, all of which haunt me on a daily > > > > basis. > > > > > Science, Darwinism explains physicality only. In my head, my mind > > > > does exists as much as any other existence, a very real world which is > > > > real to me but science will never recognise. > > > > > According to cosmology, Outer space is 80% dark-energy, which > > > > basically means they don’t know. Like they don’t know what > > > > gravity is. They know how it works but not what it is. > > > > > Similarly, consciousness. How does physicality occur, where does it > > > > come from and go too ??? > > > > > At a sub-atomic level nothing exists in a traditional sense, it only > > > > has a probability of occurring. Infinite probability is the > > > > foundation of all science. > > > > > Now, decide what it is that brings light into your back yard ………… > > > > &&& > > > > > . > > > > > On Sep 8, 9:46 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So we live in a Universe made of atoms and the atoms that make up my > > > > physical form are as old as the Universe itself > > > > > > Q. Do they know that? > > > > > > Q. Space is the closest thing to a vacuum with just a few hydrogen > > atoms > > > > per cubic centimetre (apart from all the debris) - what's that all > > about > > > > then? > > > > > > Q. Quantum theory predicts that no volume of space can be perfectly > > empty > > > > - meaning the tiny space between the atoms in your physical being have > > > > something in them? > > > > > > In any case, the perfect vacuum is only a philosophical concept and > > has > > > > never been observed in practice. > > > > > > Sent from an iPhone- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
