at the risk of becoming one of those who tries to explain the teacher and then "fucks it all up", I will say that Nis. taught:
stay in the sense of "I AM" it will lead you to its source the Self feel free to correct me if you understood Nis's. teachings to be different On Sep 9, 5:06 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah okay > > He talks about I am sense though? > > Sent from an iPhone > > On 10 Sep 2010, at 00:29, godszen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > as far as I know Nis. NEVER said; repeat the phrase I AM > > > on the contrary, he promoted silent, non-conceptual awareness > > > but like you said, it's the people who re-write the history books > > who get it wrong, usually to promote their propaganda > > > On Sep 9, 4:15 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Marcus > > >> Einstein and Newton were both self-realised, they were clear about reality, > >> living from the distinctions of matter and consciousness. > > >> It is the scientists that try to learn about the work of Einstein or Newton > >> and then teach it to others who fuck it all up. > > >> Nisargadatta becomes an icon for all us mere mortals to use as an > >> expression > >> of self? > > >> I am? > > >> FUCK OFF > > >> All these stupid videos of gurus on the internet repeating the phrase "I > >> am" > >> with this look on their face like "look at ME this really MEANS something > >> because I can FEEL it in my heart" > > >> DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB SHIT > > >> Not what the man was saying at all > > >> Don't follow the man > > >> Look for yourself > > >> REAL NOT REAL SAME DIFFERENT SAME > > >> Can't be explained in the words you used before > > >> So why bother trying > > >> Words belittle it > > >> I AM? > > >> STUPID > > >> No you are not - and that isn't it either > > >> The quantum self video was good though > > >> entertainment > > >> On 9 September 2010 10:31, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> . > > >>> Thanks Roomy, > > >>> Quit right. The real joke is about science is, it’s arrogance to > >>> the principle that we should all worship the God of logic and reason. > >>> The great and glorious 2+2=4 world where all is constantly bound by > >>> conformity and ridge lines of dualism. The joke is that science by > >>> it’s very delusion of reality can never rest. Science has no human > >>> ability to relax. Science as an attitude can not choose peace, or > >>> surrender with expressions like “Fuck the world” Science is doomed > >>> to frustration because every conclusion it creates will then create > >>> new questions. A world doom to infinite questions. That’s why > >>> Newton, Einstein and theorist of today torture themselves with finding > >>> the mathematical solution of everything. > > >>> Thankfully we as humans can reach a stage in our thinking where > >>> stillness and silence provide all the answers necessary to know in > >>> your heart that this is a beautiful day. > > >>> Beyond that, knowledge is futile to the overall objective of having a > >>> good day. > > >>> Know that, all this creation in this ever-present moment is, in > >>> divine perfection. > > >>> It just looks messy sometimes as circumstance works it’s > >>> magic. > > >>> . > >>> On Sep 8, 3:43 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> consciousness is subtler than space because even that space is formed in > >>> the > >>>> screen of our consciousness. > >>>> This is what Nisargadatta says and i find it is somewhat correct. > > >>>> The mystery of the physical universe cannot be solved according to Buddha > >>>> because the delve into, the more basic particles you find. > > >>>> According to a quantum physicist Amit Goswami, even the world is not real > >>>> because our consciousness causes the ever changing wave property of the > >>>> universe to collapse and it gives us an illusory stillness. The world is > >>> not > >>>> still, it is continuously in motion. > >>>> But I think the real stillness is probably in our own pure consciousness. > >>>> The video is here ----http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42mrdhKwRA > > >>>> From what I gather so far, consciousness is the most basic property of > >>> the > >>>> universe. Pure awareness exists whether it is in a body or even without > >>> a > >>>> body. Being is not necessarily physical in nature. Being itself is a > >>> basic > >>>> property of the universe. In fact, the universe appears in this Being. So > >>> it > >>>> is actually that the universe is inside us rather than we being in the > >>>> universe. This being is ----ONE. There is only one pure being. Hence it > >>> is > >>>> called Brahman or non-duality or Advaita. This is what Ramana says. The > >>> Self > >>>> supports everything. > > >>>> One who gets this point clearly can continue further and do miracles > >>> like > >>>> walking on water or be in two different places at the same time(Ramana > >>> did > >>>> this) or clairvoyance and clairaudience. > > >>>> So literally, everything you see is inside you. And that you is not the > >>> body > >>>> (rolling on the floor laughing.). Get the 'I am the body' idea out of > >>> your > >>>> head for good. Because it is the first and the last belief that needs to > >>> be > >>>> eradicated. (laughing out loud and laughing my ass off). > > >>>> consciousness cannot be understood by quantum physicists because there > >>> are a > >>>> lot of erratic problems they have encountered in the deepest levels of > >>> the > >>>> atom - like one thing being at two places at the same time and such other > >>>> stories (laughing out loud). > > >>>> This is why I do not take part in your poetic discussions anymore because > >>>> this shit is mind boggling and serious business. This is why I was trying > >>> to > >>>> do astral projection and stuff like that. You can do many things if u > >>>> practice stuff using your awareness. (fuck the world) > > >>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Marcus <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> . > > >>>>> Yes, and what of those atoms which make up my hands and my eye- > >>>>> balls. Do they too have a right to vote in a pretend democracy ?? > > >>>>> Does the occurrence of an electron within it’s probability wave relate > >>>>> to a single atom or many ?? > > >>>>> If infinity and zero where to have a baby what would it be > >>>>> called ???? don't say One ??? > > >>>>> There is no physical measure for conscious awareness. Atomic > >>>>> structure, Newton and Einstein happily record and predict tangible > >>>>> pattern behaviours. These alone rest in a non-human world where > >>>>> every solution creates multiple questions. Great fun and very > >>>>> intellectually simulating but does very little to help me understand > >>>>> what it is to be me. The physicality of the phenomena surrounding me > >>>>> does nothing to help me gets to grips with love, hate, beauty, > >>>>> revelation, stupidity and brilliance, all of which haunt me on a daily > >>>>> basis. > > >>>>> Science, Darwinism explains physicality only. In my head, my mind > >>>>> does exists as much as any other existence, a very real world which is > >>>>> real to me but science will never recognise. > > >>>>> According to cosmology, Outer space is 80% dark-energy, which > >>>>> basically means they don’t know. Like they don’t know what > >>>>> gravity is. They know how it works but not what it is. > > >>>>> Similarly, consciousness. How does physicality occur, where does it > >>>>> come from and go too ??? > > >>>>> At a sub-atomic level nothing exists in a traditional sense, it only > >>>>> has a probability of occurring. Infinite probability is the > >>>>> foundation of all science. > > >>>>> Now, decide what it is that brings light into your back yard ………… > >>>>> &&& > > >>>>> . > > >>>>> On Sep 8, 9:46 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> So we live in a Universe made of atoms and the atoms that make up my > >>>>> physical form are as old as the Universe itself > > >>>>>> Q. Do they know that? > > >>>>>> Q. Space is the closest thing to a vacuum with just a few hydrogen > >>> atoms > >>>>> per cubic centimetre (apart from all the debris) - what's that all > >>> about > >>>>> then? > > >>>>>> Q. Quantum theory predicts that no volume of space can be perfectly > >>> empty > >>>>> - meaning the tiny space between the atoms in your physical being have > >>>>> something in them? > > >>>>>> In any case, the perfect vacuum is only a philosophical concept and > >>> has > >>>>> never been observed in practice. > > >>>>>> Sent from an iPhone- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text -
