It's those bloody guru types that stare meaningfully into the camera and repeat "I am" over and over who crack 'me' up - not really helpful even if they have found something
Sent from an iPhone On 10 Sep 2010, at 04:25, godszen <[email protected]> wrote: > at the risk of becoming one of those who tries to explain > the teacher and then "fucks it all up", I will say that > Nis. taught: > > stay in the sense of "I AM" > it will lead you to its source > the Self > > feel free to correct me if you understood > Nis's. teachings to be different > > On Sep 9, 5:06 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ah okay >> >> He talks about I am sense though? >> >> Sent from an iPhone >> >> On 10 Sep 2010, at 00:29, godszen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> as far as I know Nis. NEVER said; repeat the phrase I AM >> >>> on the contrary, he promoted silent, non-conceptual awareness >> >>> but like you said, it's the people who re-write the history books >>> who get it wrong, usually to promote their propaganda >> >>> On Sep 9, 4:15 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Marcus >> >>>> Einstein and Newton were both self-realised, they were clear about reality, >>>> living from the distinctions of matter and consciousness. >> >>>> It is the scientists that try to learn about the work of Einstein or Newton >>>> and then teach it to others who fuck it all up. >> >>>> Nisargadatta becomes an icon for all us mere mortals to use as an >>>> expression >>>> of self? >> >>>> I am? >> >>>> FUCK OFF >> >>>> All these stupid videos of gurus on the internet repeating the phrase "I >>>> am" >>>> with this look on their face like "look at ME this really MEANS something >>>> because I can FEEL it in my heart" >> >>>> DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB SHIT >> >>>> Not what the man was saying at all >> >>>> Don't follow the man >> >>>> Look for yourself >> >>>> REAL NOT REAL SAME DIFFERENT SAME >> >>>> Can't be explained in the words you used before >> >>>> So why bother trying >> >>>> Words belittle it >> >>>> I AM? >> >>>> STUPID >> >>>> No you are not - and that isn't it either >> >>>> The quantum self video was good though >> >>>> entertainment >> >>>> On 9 September 2010 10:31, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> . >> >>>>> Thanks Roomy, >> >>>>> Quit right. The real joke is about science is, it’s arrogance to >>>>> the principle that we should all worship the God of logic and reason. >>>>> The great and glorious 2+2=4 world where all is constantly bound by >>>>> conformity and ridge lines of dualism. The joke is that science by >>>>> it’s very delusion of reality can never rest. Science has no human >>>>> ability to relax. Science as an attitude can not choose peace, or >>>>> surrender with expressions like “Fuck the world” Science is doomed >>>>> to frustration because every conclusion it creates will then create >>>>> new questions. A world doom to infinite questions. That’s why >>>>> Newton, Einstein and theorist of today torture themselves with finding >>>>> the mathematical solution of everything. >> >>>>> Thankfully we as humans can reach a stage in our thinking where >>>>> stillness and silence provide all the answers necessary to know in >>>>> your heart that this is a beautiful day. >> >>>>> Beyond that, knowledge is futile to the overall objective of having a >>>>> good day. >> >>>>> Know that, all this creation in this ever-present moment is, in >>>>> divine perfection. >> >>>>> It just looks messy sometimes as circumstance works it’s >>>>> magic. >> >>>>> . >>>>> On Sep 8, 3:43 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> consciousness is subtler than space because even that space is formed in >>>>> the >>>>>> screen of our consciousness. >>>>>> This is what Nisargadatta says and i find it is somewhat correct. >> >>>>>> The mystery of the physical universe cannot be solved according to Buddha >>>>>> because the delve into, the more basic particles you find. >> >>>>>> According to a quantum physicist Amit Goswami, even the world is not real >>>>>> because our consciousness causes the ever changing wave property of the >>>>>> universe to collapse and it gives us an illusory stillness. The world is >>>>> not >>>>>> still, it is continuously in motion. >>>>>> But I think the real stillness is probably in our own pure consciousness. >>>>>> The video is here ----http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42mrdhKwRA >> >>>>>> From what I gather so far, consciousness is the most basic property of >>>>> the >>>>>> universe. Pure awareness exists whether it is in a body or even without >>>>> a >>>>>> body. Being is not necessarily physical in nature. Being itself is a >>>>> basic >>>>>> property of the universe. In fact, the universe appears in this Being. So >>>>> it >>>>>> is actually that the universe is inside us rather than we being in the >>>>>> universe. This being is ----ONE. There is only one pure being. Hence it >>>>> is >>>>>> called Brahman or non-duality or Advaita. This is what Ramana says. The >>>>> Self >>>>>> supports everything. >> >>>>>> One who gets this point clearly can continue further and do miracles >>>>> like >>>>>> walking on water or be in two different places at the same time(Ramana >>>>> did >>>>>> this) or clairvoyance and clairaudience. >> >>>>>> So literally, everything you see is inside you. And that you is not the >>>>> body >>>>>> (rolling on the floor laughing.). Get the 'I am the body' idea out of >>>>> your >>>>>> head for good. Because it is the first and the last belief that needs to >>>>> be >>>>>> eradicated. (laughing out loud and laughing my ass off). >> >>>>>> consciousness cannot be understood by quantum physicists because there >>>>> are a >>>>>> lot of erratic problems they have encountered in the deepest levels of >>>>> the >>>>>> atom - like one thing being at two places at the same time and such other >>>>>> stories (laughing out loud). >> >>>>>> This is why I do not take part in your poetic discussions anymore because >>>>>> this shit is mind boggling and serious business. This is why I was trying >>>>> to >>>>>> do astral projection and stuff like that. You can do many things if u >>>>>> practice stuff using your awareness. (fuck the world) >> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Marcus <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> . >> >>>>>>> Yes, and what of those atoms which make up my hands and my eye- >>>>>>> balls. Do they too have a right to vote in a pretend democracy ?? >> >>>>>>> Does the occurrence of an electron within it’s probability wave relate >>>>>>> to a single atom or many ?? >> >>>>>>> If infinity and zero where to have a baby what would it be >>>>>>> called ???? don't say One ??? >> >>>>>>> There is no physical measure for conscious awareness. Atomic >>>>>>> structure, Newton and Einstein happily record and predict tangible >>>>>>> pattern behaviours. These alone rest in a non-human world where >>>>>>> every solution creates multiple questions. Great fun and very >>>>>>> intellectually simulating but does very little to help me understand >>>>>>> what it is to be me. The physicality of the phenomena surrounding me >>>>>>> does nothing to help me gets to grips with love, hate, beauty, >>>>>>> revelation, stupidity and brilliance, all of which haunt me on a daily >>>>>>> basis. >> >>>>>>> Science, Darwinism explains physicality only. In my head, my mind >>>>>>> does exists as much as any other existence, a very real world which is >>>>>>> real to me but science will never recognise. >> >>>>>>> According to cosmology, Outer space is 80% dark-energy, which >>>>>>> basically means they don’t know. Like they don’t know what >>>>>>> gravity is. They know how it works but not what it is. >> >>>>>>> Similarly, consciousness. How does physicality occur, where does it >>>>>>> come from and go too ??? >> >>>>>>> At a sub-atomic level nothing exists in a traditional sense, it only >>>>>>> has a probability of occurring. Infinite probability is the >>>>>>> foundation of all science. >> >>>>>>> Now, decide what it is that brings light into your back yard ………… >>>>>>> &&& >> >>>>>>> . >> >>>>>>> On Sep 8, 9:46 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> So we live in a Universe made of atoms and the atoms that make up my >>>>>>> physical form are as old as the Universe itself >> >>>>>>>> Q. Do they know that? >> >>>>>>>> Q. Space is the closest thing to a vacuum with just a few hydrogen >>>>> atoms >>>>>>> per cubic centimetre (apart from all the debris) - what's that all >>>>> about >>>>>>> then? >> >>>>>>>> Q. Quantum theory predicts that no volume of space can be perfectly >>>>> empty >>>>>>> - meaning the tiny space between the atoms in your physical being have >>>>>>> something in them? >> >>>>>>>> In any case, the perfect vacuum is only a philosophical concept and >>>>> has >>>>>>> never been observed in practice. >> >>>>>>>> Sent from an iPhone- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
