Mark Ty-Wharton  wrote:
>godszen  wrote:
> > it is only when awareness recognizes itself
>
> > that self-realization has occurred
>
> surely self realisation is the realisation there is no "real" self

   it is when awareness recognizes itself

> awareness recognises itself?
>
> how can that happen when there is no "real" you

   not as an object amongst other objects

   but awareness itself

> you are just shifting the game of you

   no

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