Mark Ty-Wharton wrote: > On 2 March 2011 22:35, godszen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Mark Ty-Wharton wrote: > > >godszen wrote: > > > > it is only when awareness recognizes itself > > > > > that self-realization has occurred > > > > surely self realisation is the realisation there is no "real" self > > > it is when awareness recognizes itself > > still disagree here - awareness becoming aware of an existence prior to mind > and self - the realisation surely is self is illusory - that is to say the > notion of self is illusory
it is when awareness recognizes itself > > > awareness recognises itself? > > > > how can that happen when there is no "real" you the real you is self effulgent awareness > > > not as an object amongst other objects > > > but awareness itself > > yeah sure but awareness isn't you it is just awareness..... it is what you are > - the "me" feeling is > just a feeling I identify as a "me" that was being used as a reference point > for emotions and thoughts > > emotions and thoughts are still happening but the me they apparently > happened "to" needs not be referenced the usual "me" referred to is the body/mind, yes but this is merely the reflector a bouncing-off point, so to speak > therefore a purer awareness arises > > it is still a game regardless of how good it feels > > I am saying "me, me, me" or "you, you, you" is an illusion > > > > you are just shifting the game of you > > > no > > you are! the average human's quality of awareness is not perceive-able the quantity and quality must change dramatically before it can recognize itself, in most cases the nervous system must undergo a transformation to allow the change
