On 2 March 2011 22:35, godszen <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark Ty-Wharton wrote: > >godszen wrote: > > > it is only when awareness recognizes itself > > > > > that self-realization has occurred > > > > surely self realisation is the realisation there is no "real" self > > it is when awareness recognizes itself >
still disagree here - awareness becoming aware of an existence prior to mind and self - the realisation surely is self is illusory - that is to say the notion of self is illusory > > awareness recognises itself? > > > > how can that happen when there is no "real" you > > not as an object amongst other objects > > but awareness itself > yeah sure but awareness isn't you it is just awareness - the "me" feeling is just a feeling I identify as a "me" that was being used as a reference point for emotions and thoughts emotions and thoughts are still happening but the me they apparently happened "to" needs not be referenced therefore a purer awareness arises it is still a game regardless of how good it feels I am saying "me, me, me" or "you, you, you" is an illusion > > you are just shifting the game of you > > no you are!
