Like I said it depends on how it is heard. I can't put it into words. If someone thinks giving up seeking is the answer then they will struggle.
- au contraire, isn't that what you are doing? Putting your opinion or concepts into words? OK, think about this before responding, if someone thinks that giving up seeking is the answer(still wonder about the spelling and origin of that word), and gives it up, where is the struggle? Is this not in direct opposition to what you said previously about giving up seeking? I tend to be direct in my communication.So I have to ask, isn't what you are saying the opposite of what you said before? The struggle is in the concept/s of struggle. I thought the premise of what I heard you saying before is that if one gives up seeking, then the struggle ceases. Fair enough, but I say again. there need not be an equal sign to seeking and struggle. Seek until you find, then when finding, there is no struggle or any longer any need for seeking. Is that not clear? I have not seen a single aspirant who has given up seeking who has found what was sought. However, I have seen many who have given up seeking and have not found what was sought. This seems very straightforward here. but maybe your experience is different. > > where or what is this except a concept? > > There is physicality energy and matter or whatever you want to CALL it... Ok, Let's explore that concept. Tell me, after considering it, what is physicality energy or matter if it is not registered in concepts. This hits at the core of the dialogue and honest introspection. If you have no concept of energy or matter, what is it, or where does it exist? I don't want to CALL it anything. That's the point. Without calling it anything, what is "IT"? It is only when you call it something (conceive it to be something),that it takes on the characteristics of whatever it is being called or conceived to be. > > > Knowledge is "I Am" but what is "This" without the knowledge of "I > > Am"? No knowledge, no this. > > Bollocks > > Go and take drugs! - These comments only show a lack of deep introspection. "Go take drugs!" Been there, done that. Look into the knowledge of "I Am," before you disregard what is being presented in this discourse. What is it that knows "I Am"? When this is seen and understood, then you will know and recognize what is being said. Until then, yes, all you hear is Bollocks! That is the limitation of the mind. > Well maybe, but perhaps Eckhart Tolle was useful, because at a point it was > noticed "this is just bollocks" and looking elsewhere for answers became the > effect of that channel of causality. Ecky is Bollocks! He wants to sell books and be on Oprah. I dare say that you have a better understanding than that git! "Does that really make sense to you? No mind imagining? What does that even mean? _________ > Yes it makes sense. The mind likes to create a story about itself. This > dialog mind, or story mind is not the real driver of experience. It is a > falsehood. The conceptualist in us is illusory. Self centred. Even as I > write this there is an "I am" which has it's story weaved around it - you - > me - that over there - this here etc > > What I am saying is, none of this PLAY is real - it occurs as a function of > being HUMAN and you try stopping it. > > Get that it is a mind-movie playing itself out and YOU are the central > player and you might see something about yourself AND your spirituality that > you have not yet seen. > > Give up that "I am" is real. Beyond that there is that which cannot be > understood, voiced or otherwise. The mind cannot conceive of it because it > would have to conceptualise it to convey it, even to itself. ___________ I really don't understand what you are saying in this entire section. >From what is seen here, this is all conceptual mind b.s. Try to express this without using concept and tell me what you mean. All I can make of it is a bunch of circular conceptualisation. Not trying to be offensive, but it just doesn't make sense to 'me.' > Boggling only happens to a mind until it is gone. - Agreed. but what's the point of bringing up boggling? Only mind asserting its assertions. Equivalent of a cloud saying that "I'm seperate from sky." BOLLOCKS! Mind asserts itself only as long as Self lends it a sense of reality. Otherwise, just still peaceful silence. > > > Thanks for the dialog> > Grandma... - Uncle Earnie... aka BOZO :O)
