So you are GZ. Suspicion confirmed. :O)
On Mar 20, 1:52 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > Too long. Did not read. > > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:46 PM, YouWho? <[email protected]> wrote: > > > GZ, everything you say is based only on social conditioning. The whole > > world is submerged under a tsunami of ignorance and people believe > > things have to be the way you suggest. > > > If social concepts were different, the relative functioning of how the > > dream plays out would be different. Aside from the ingrained concepts > > about the necessity of a money based economy, there is no reason why > > we couldn't do away with money right now and still feed and house > > everyone and even give them their gadgets if they wanted them. We have > > the technology, and more importantly, the resources to do this now, > > but not the will. Even economist are starting to agree that our > > current monetary system is severely flawed. People become slaves to > > invisible dollars and pieces of paper that banks (namely the Fed) give > > a false value to, for the sake of a very few. > > > Part of the ignorance is people have their sense of identity wrapped > > up in what they do, or how much many they make. It's a false sense of > > identity. When you have money or a good job, you feel good about > > yourself, and when you don't you feel bad and are scorned by society. > > It's tied in to a misplaced sense of identity and what one's REAL > > value is, as spirit or existence, or whatever you want to call it... > > > This is all very basic stuff. Our society has told us since around the > > beginning of the 20th century that socialism and communism are bad, > > and use example of ruthless dictators as proof. These concepts were > > conceived by people who saw the oppression of the masses by a few, and > > the rich elite and profitable corporations spend decades doing a > > massive propaganda campaign to convince the majority of people that > > capitalism is the best lifestyle. Most people in world don't even > > really know what socialism or communism are, as there really have > > never been any true examples. The closest we've probably ever seen is > > a sort of social democracy which is evidenced in Scandanavia, and of > > course probably even closer was how some indigenous tribal people > > lived around the globe before western exploitism and christianity came > > a calling. But even they had to deal with tribal wars. Probably the > > best option for a politico-economic model would be some variation of > > Plato's concept of a benevolent dictatorship. The simple fact is that > > people don't always know or do what is in their own best interest. > > There have been examples throughout history where this type of system > > has worked for generations, but a truly divine selfless dictator is a > > very rare thing. Especially in this age of blind obedience to "me" and > > "mine." > > > Look all around at the consequences of the greed of a capitalistic > > world. Fear of not having "things" and of not getting "things I want" > > or need is the cause of most of the worlds problems in these times. > > I'm not under any illusions about changing the ignorant ways of > > thinking and acting of the masses, but there needs to be some thought > > given to such things as every being's basic right to food and water > > and shelter, and even the enjoyment of material pleasures, without > > concern for whether there is available work, or why some small group > > of people have more than they could ever use in a thousand lifetimes > > when a great many people don't have enough for this life. I know > > talking about these kinds of things pushes people's buttons, because > > we are so accustomed the the societal conditioning of what we have > > been taught to believe from day one. But just because we have always > > thought something to be the best or only way, doesn't mean that it > > really is the best way. The way the earth is changing, there may come > > a day sooner than you think that capitalism crumbles, maybe not, but > > then, we either work together as a community to see that every living > > being's needs are met, or we become marauders who are only out for > > ourself. That's the fundamental difference between true community, or > > communism, and capitalism. > > > If you believe you live in a free country, you are sadly mistaken my > > friend. You talk about choices that you think you have, but for most > > of the things you mentioned, you don't have a choice. You said you > > don't want to be a beggar or broke and homeless. You don't have a > > choice, you had to work. If you honestly believe that some fatcat > > banker or corporate executive is working harder than a small farmer or > > a mother who has to work three jobs just to get by and take care of > > her family, you're sorely mistaken my friend. > > > "Because that's the way it's supposed to be." > > > That's just a concept. There is no way that "it's supposed to be" > > outside of your concepts, and the concepts of the rich who don't want > > you to have free food or cars or tvs or whatever, because that would > > mean less for them. If you (meaning anyone)are in love with objects in > > the world, you think about and protect those objects out of fear, and > > you forget about Reality and generosity, and selfless service to > > others who are only your own Self, regardless of if they are > > productive or lazy, by whatever measuring stick one cares to use. Step > > into selflessness and watch the miracles that happen, and the fear > > that falls away.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
