Then you have not worked with a real DBA. I would no more call someone that 
came in to just run backups and check validations a DBA than I would called 
the person switching backup tapes a Network Administrator. Depending on the 
business you will often find these higher-level people preforming those 
tasks - but the real benefit is what experience they can bring to the 
project.

I personally have never liked the DBA monikor because I think the task is 
divided into 2 parts. The first is the DBD (Database Developer). This person 
builds the system and knows their SQL and Set Theory to the core. The second 
is the DBA that ensures that the hardware, clustering, backups, and other 
issues are kept in line. I find that too often the DBD and DBA become mixed 
when in fact they are two disciplines.

I have met many really great developers in my travels, but never one that 
could transition from database to application to interface and not make hash 
of each step. IMO all developers need to have a good working knowledge of 
all tiers of the system, but understand the skill brought to the table by a 
good specialist.


Chip

On 9/14/05, Steve Welborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >>The most important person on any development project
> is usually a DBA.
> >>Good DBAs can save a project - simply because THEY
> know what they're doing
> >>and can create a performing database and schema.
> 
> I venture to say a great developer doesn't need a
> DBA for anything because
> they would have the skills to do every layer of an
> application, from
> creating and maintaining a database(keeping the
> performance up), business
> logic classes and design, to the front end.
> 
> I've been a developer for 9 years and only once have
> I had the opportunity
> to work with a real DBA. All he did was come in at 4am
> and run processes for
> data validation so that when we programmers get in the
> data will be where we
> need it. This was about 5 years ago, had I known then
> what I know now we
> would of gotten rid of the DBA and put the data
> validation in a class
> somewhere and scrubbed the data as it went to the
> database.
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
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