Brent Michalski [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Perl is there already, just many people don't know it.  Maybe they
*>should start being informed.  How many "enterprise computing
*>environments" (*nix) come WITH Perl?  A lot.

Yes, but does Perl have an IDE, corporate support and a slew of mainstream
corp applications to keep the pointy hairs humming in their chairs? No.

*>> 2. Access to information will become more fluid as the limitations on
*>> bandwidth become a thing of the past.
*>
*>Great!  What does this have to do with Java?  

It's a red herring because you have to have content before you can blame
the bandwidth.....besides, the size of the pipe has nothing to do with its
fluidity.

*>> 4. The move away from exclusive use of the desktop PC and to wireless 
*>This is great, but have you every typed a URL into a phone?!

Yes :) Wireless is the way...data, information...anywhere, anytime, like
burger king. Have it your way. 

*>Perl is WAP compliant too!  All the programmer needs to do is generate
*>WAP compliant code.  Hell, Visual Basic could be WAP compliant.  The
*>Perl modules will be developed when there is a real need.

WTF does WAP compliant mean? :) Dude, escape corporate america now before
it's too late ....

The Perl modules will be written when someone writes them....the need for
them has been around for a while now. 

*>Wow, I feel like I am in a time warp.  Wasn't this being said when Java
*>first came out?  Java has been saying this for years hoping that someday
*>everyone would buy in to what they are saying.  Unfortunately, many
*>managers have heard it over and over and are starting to believe it.  We
*>need to somehow prove otherwise.

Yes, but it sells because everyone has been wanking and counter wanking
for years. I wish someone would shout 'show me the money' at one of these
conferences someday...it gets old listening to the same bickering the same
dumb arguments yet noone has yet to provide one shred of useful anything
from it. Most managers aren't techies, they want whatever will make them
look good in with the least amount of work. 

I say put the buzz around Palo Alto that Perl makes you young and you get
young chicks too...I guarantee that warts and all, the darn thing would be
on every system by next Monday. 

*>Large, successful projects to use as reference are helpful.  The success
*>stories are great, but we need more *proof*.  Even though Perl is a very
*>proven language, we are continually having to prove it again and again. 
*>Why?!
*>
*>We have some great opportunities to network and possibly map out some
*>strategies.  YAPC 19100 and TPC 4.0 are just around the corner.  Let's
*>try to use these forums to our benefit!

I suggested a while back that a slogan of 'use perl; get laid' would work
smashingly in this sort of market. These sorts of people aren't talking
about the technology really.....along the same lines of 'just do it' and
tennis shoes...

You can sell or you can do. Pick a card.

e.

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