Turoff, Adam wrote:-
> 
> The next question that comes to me is, "How do we turn the tables on
> Java and refocus the conversation on Perl's Dark Matter -- Perl users
> who don't identify with being programmers?"  When those users are 
> added to the mix, I'm sure Perl is making more people more productive
> every day than Java is.

Having just arrived home from a week teaching Perl at IBM to (mainly)
IBM'ers -- and seeing most of my mail consisting of this thread :-) 
I have some random thoughts:-

IBM ship Perl 5.00503 with AIX 4.3.3.
IBM ship Perl (v4 I think) with PSSP - the software that manages their
multi-processor SP systems.
IBM (Tivoli) ship Perl (v4) as part of Tivoli.
... and so on.

Other vendors also ship Perl as part of the o/s.

I remember when whenever you bought X11 for Un*x you got a crate of
the O'Reilly X11 documentation (still got a set in the bookcase "just
in case" :).

What would happen to manager's perceptions if:

- every RS/6000 and SP and Tivoli installation (and Solaris and HP-UX,
...) came with the the Perl CD-bookshelf (or whatever it's called)?

- the o/s documentation/release-notes actually mentioned perl.com, 
use.perl.org, ...

This is still maybe aimed too low -- the technical managers rather than
the accountants, but might help some.

Anyone know anyone who could help?
-- 
Chris Benson

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