In article <0108211319110B.01230@rctos>,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rodney Clang) wrote:

> Sad to see this separation amongst ourselves. Some of us are businesspeople, 
> PHB's, ....  who also run a development staff and have the luxury to 
> contribute to programming time as well. 

Well, I hope you can learn from mine and others' viewpoints when you 
handle your development staff, then.  :)

Which reminds me of an article you may wish to read, How To Manage Geeks:

   http://www.fastcompany.com/online/25/geeks.html

It touches on some of the issues I'm thinking of.


> Not sure if the following is relevant or has any value to the group, but as a 
> businessman and manager in search, I don't "see" many success stories in the 
> O'reilly list or even discussions within usenet regarding Perl's usage in 
> traditional enterprise application development.

Try http://www.perl.com/.  There's a bunch there, and they are always 
looking for more.  There's one there about the Swedish pension system, 
another about Italy's top bank.

Though personally, I think Success Stories are overrated.  If I know 
Perl is good, then I will use it.  I don't have anything against them, I 
just don't find them very interesting from the perspective of "can Perl 
do this?", because I know that Perl can do that.


> I am very comfortable with Perl from the perspective of the technical merits 
> within the language. I have been writing Perl code for many years now and can 
> attest to many of those features. What I'm unsure of is Perl in large 
> application projects, etc.  

Check the www.perl.com site.


> bounce someday, they need to be marketable. They are under the impression, 
> right or wrong, that Java and VB worlds are far safer for one's career. To 
> find a fulltime Perl programming job in Colorado is difficult. So, to spend 
> 100% of their time in Perl development and lose their current edge in any 
> other technology might not be in their best personal interest.

That is true with *any* language.

I think it is most correctly noted that being a *programmer* is safest 
for one's career as a developer.  No one should stick to one language if 
this is their career path.  If you know some C and some Java and excel 
in Perl, you won't have much problem finding a job.  If you know only 
Java, well, you might get a job easily now, but maybe not a few years 
from now.


> Perception is reality. 

No, it isn't.  The reality is that Perl is the #1 language used on the 
web.  The perception is that it is not used very much, or isn't very 
imporant.  I don't care about perception.  I care about getting my job 
done, and as long as I can demonstrate to my (?:potential)? employer 
that I will get my job done, then I am set.

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