Yep, I agree. Hand/mind Skills are interwoven. I liked Pollock's remark: "Skill is knowing how to do what you want to do." Who claims otherwise?
Boy, do I hate that term, art production. And its cousin, cultural production. Basically, I don't like being classed as a producer. It reminds me of that other notion: the manager as asset vs. the worker as resource. WC --- saul ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Might we differentiate between technical skill, > conceptual skills and > aesthetic vision > We seem to fall into this trap of believing that the > production of art might > depend on a single aspect rather than recognizing > that the work of art is an > assemblage in which one has to determine how they > will use their various > skills and to what end > But then again what do I know - I live in an > ethereal other world where > thought is complex rather than simplistic - and the > obvious is suspect > Saul Ostrow > Visual Arts and Technologies > The Cleveland Institute of Art > > > > > > From: Derek Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:09:50 +1000 > > To: <[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: The Fate of The Image > > > > I am not criticising skill as such. That would be > silly. Great artists need > > to be highly skilled. My point is that art is not > *simply* skill (contra > > what Alexei's summary of Ranciere seemed to be > implying). > > > > Skill can be put to all kinds of uses. Cabanel > was highly skilled. Even > > some of his impressionist contemporaries > recognised that. But they would > > have given up painting rather than paint like him. > > > > Writers like J.K. Rowling, Erle Stanley Gardner, > Agatha Christie, etc are > > skilled in their way. But the only thing their > books have in common with > > genuine literature (i.e. art) is the printing > press. > > > > DA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Conger > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2008 1:11 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: The Fate of The Image > > > > I think skill is greatly undervalued. Enormous > skill > > is usually evident in great artworks in any > medium. > > Obviously, there are many different kinds of > skill. > > As for Derek's favorite artists to hate, they > indeed > > were skillful, but so was Van Gogh, or Matisse, or > > thousands of others. Somehow, in the past 100 > years > > (blame Duchamp) skill of whatever type was > > distinguished from honesty of expression (no one > knows > > what that is but it's broadly assumed) and thus > any > > artist who demonstrates high skill is regarded by > some > > hipsters to be dishonest, inexpressive, and > > unoriginal, etc. This is a very false > > distinction/separation. Skill is deeply > interwoven > > with all other (mysterious) features of genuine > > artworks. Examining it is a good place to start > > (perhaps the only place to start) in experiencing > art. > > > > > > WC > > --- Derek Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> Alexei > >> > >> So are you saying that art is nothing but > technical > >> skill of some kind? (My > >> particular examples are not important. There are > >> plenty of others.) > >> > >> DA > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - > Release Date: 28/03/2008 > > 10:58 AM > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - > Release Date: 28/03/2008 > > 10:58 AM > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean.
