Everyone can agree with Cheerskep on the fine point of subjectivity but there're still nagging issues. Some philosophers, (Archie Bahm) say that aesthetics is a science because it deals with values that everyone experiences to some degree that therefore can be tested. He claims 4 types of values separating them from all the popular uses. He says what values have in common is their intrinsic nature. By intrinsic he means that to thinks about the term value is to already accept that it exists; that it can't be undefined. He also, importantly, to me, claims that we cannot help but project our value sensations to objects outside of ourselves. Thus there is a subjective-objective interplay, exchange. He likens this to the notion of Nirvanna where all (subjective and objective is one). At any rate, the intuitive -- impossible to deny-- projection of sensations and therefore meaning is an important concern. It's what we acknowledge when we say something is beautiful. Thus while Cheerskep is right in an analytical way, his point is moot because we can't stand aside from what is intrinsic to us, that is to say, intuitive projection. WC
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: "Meaning" is always in a mind, never in an object. > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:55 AM > Mando writes: > > > I would conclude that the object is always altering > the mind. > > I would think that every new experience transform it a > little. > > > You wouldn't say it alters any mind that doesn't > observe the object. > Alteration requires the receipt of sense data, followed by > the mind's > processing. > > It's understandable that we talk that way: > "Michelangelo's 'Moses" changed my > life." But the 'Moses" is inert. It does not > act, it does nothing. > "Contemplating the 'Moses' changed my > life," is more like it. > > > Mando's second line hits it: "Every new > experience transforms the mind a > > little." It's the experience, what goes on in > the head -- not the object > that > > occasions the experience. > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want > to go. Find your travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
