Certainly, my intent is never to please anyone, but like many artists, my inner being is nudge by those that I learned to admire, in my case there are many William Zorak, Henry Morre, Naguchi, Picasso, Pre Columbian of Nayarit,W.Mexico, They all help me stay in the zone that I feel keeps my work universally meaningful.

mando





On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:48 AM, William Conger wrote:

I'm not sure what's going on with respect to intentionality. It's true that I don't think of an audience prompting my intentions since I can't say that there's any audience whose own art ideas are shaped strongly enough to suit me. There is, however an abstraction of an artworld or critical audience I think about but even in that case I can't say I regard it as an ally, but I'd be foolish to say it hasn't affected my own tastes and habits.

I do like to pretend that artworks in history "speak to me" even offering a mental handshake, as it were, and that is a form of imagined approbation. Now, even if Velasquez or Picasso could flap down from the clouds, hang their halos by my studio door and politely offer their opinions of my work, would they be kind or harsh? I do indulge such fantasies! I do seek the approbation of art history, by which I mean the varied artistic, moral and aspirational excellences that signify the best. Everything else is secondary. I also know it's all a little crazy to measure one's ambition through delusional imaginings. But I can refer to Delacroix's famous concoction of a Pantheon of Great Artists (in his never completed philosophy of art handbook) where, of course, he also had a place.

Intentions are our fantasies for the life of our art. Intentions: Dreams and boundless love, a happy future; respite from failure, sorrow, pain and death.
WC


--- On Sat, 8/30/08, armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Meaning" is always in a mind, never in an object.
To: [email protected]
Cc: "armando baeza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 11:27 PM
Approbation by others is never part of my intent in art.
Validation
of it comes from  my inner being, it tells me it's
done. I love
every work when I finish, knowing It may not be forever. I
feel taste
was never meant to be a science.
Some of my work that i don't like any more is liked by
people that I
respect and vise versa. Yet I respect all my work,
because it was made by the being that I was, then, a
probable reason
why some people keep buying my work.
I've always felt like you felt that same way.
mando
On Aug 30, 2008, at 5:29 PM, William Conger wrote:

How you you know that what you like about your design
is the
implication that it will be well received by those
whom you
respect...and might provoke those you don't? In
other words, are
our art intentions really our own or are they
collectively fostered
by others from whom we want approbation?  It's
fine by me if
intentions are not our own.  I think artists must have
intentions
to be motivated to do their work and to guide its
completion but I
don't think intentions can validate or invalidate
the work as art.
Thus I think intentions are necessary but not
sufficient.

WC


--- On Sat, 8/30/08, armando baeza
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Meaning" is always in a
mind, never in an object.
To: [email protected]
Cc: "armando baeza"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 7:19 PM
When I finally arrive at a design that I'm
excited
about, my intent
is finished. What others sense, is irrelevant to
me.
So where does the truth lie?
mando

On Aug 30, 2008, at 3:25 PM, William Conger wrote:

Robert Frank's photos and films are known
precisely because they
convey a raw, unadorned view of how people
unintentionally manifest
their social habits and styles. Which is to
say he
achieves what he
set out to do. His disclaimers are honorific.
Besides
we can never
assume that what the artist (author) says
about
intentionality is
true. See The Intentional Fallacy.
WC


--- On Sat, 8/30/08, joseph berg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: joseph berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Meaning" is always
in a
mind, never in an object.
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 5:01 PM
- My photographs are not planned or
composed in
advance, and
I do not
anticipate that the onlooker will share my
viewpoint.
However, I feel that
if my photograph leaves an image on his
mind,
something has
been
accomplished.
Robert Frank


On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:25 AM,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

"Meaning" is always in a
mind, never
in an
object.

Whenever we look upon (or hear, or
taste, or
smell, or
even palp) an
object,
the sense data each mind receives is
more or
less
different from the next
mind's receipt, and each mind then
"processes" it differently.

The processing is largely a matter of
associating the

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