In a message dated 8/25/08 9:46:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  it's that the object -- word, phrase, painting,
> swastika -- HAS "meaning" independent of any associating the mind does.
> 
> 

Actually if it did it would be pretty frightening. Imagine an object which 
was meaning-even something so banal as cornflakes. The meaning and the object   
would be the same and you could never think of cornflakes again without   
thinking of that object. They would have become the object. You might not even 
see 
them the same,they might look llike the object.
Kate Sullivan


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