I would say you are describing an interpretation of a perception (being a subway train on a bridge in Queens or a Monet).
Luc www.lucdelannoy.com --- On Sun, 10/12/08, armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Unnoticed asthetic response > To: [email protected] > Cc: "armando baeza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 4:46 PM > From my experience in art, to perceive anything is to > compare or > relate to > that object with your total experiences. Differences / > similarities > that create > pleasure, surprise, or in some, a transformation to your > expectations > is what > gives me an a,e. > > mando > > On Oct 12, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Luc Delannoy wrote: > > > Michael, list, > > > > Briefly. > > > > In order to understand what an aesthetic experience > might be, I am > > trying to > > understand where it is, and when does it occur. > > > > It as been said that aesthetic involves the senses > (sensorial > > receptors); > > fine. But if you believe, as I do, that sensing is > non-epistemic, > > that > > sensing is not a conscious mental state, that there is > no qualitative > > ressemblance, just structural isomorphism, than you > have to ask > > yourself the > > question I put forward. > > > > Perceiving is a different process; it comes after > sensing, in superior > > cortices and nuclei. > > > > It doesn't make much sense to me to say that an > aesthetic > > experience is the > > experiencing of the senses. > > > > However, if it is the experiencing of what the senses > carry to the > > brain > > (experiencing something related to the senses), then I > suggest it > > occurs > > during the process of perceiving. > > > > But then, if that is the case, we might have a problem > with the > > association of > > the 2 words: aesthetic + experience, since it is not > an aesthetic > > experience > > per se. > > > > We do not perceive all what we are sensing, so there > is a deficit. > > Perceiving > > is selecting. How do we select what our senses carry? > Just on the > > basis of the > > difference between pain and pleasure? What is the role > of memory? > > > > Sensing is an act, it has biological effect on us; no > matter what > > happens with > > the process of perceiving it changes us. > > > > After (or should I say during?) the selective process, > are we > > always conscious > > of what we perceive? I donbt think so. I believe we > spend most of > > our life > > in a non-conscious perceiving state. > > > > And there you go with the debate about non-conscious > (unnoticed) > > aesthetic > > experience. > > > > What a mess, right ? > > > > Unless we just say, bwe are experiencing xb. > > > > Based on the above, I have no doubt an experience is > always > > subjective. > > > > Luc > > > > > > www.lucdelannoy.com > > > >> > >>> Where is the aesthetic experience if sensing > is > >> non-epistemic? > >> > >> I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain?
