From: armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unnoticed asthetic response
To: [email protected]
Cc: "armando baeza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 4:46 PM
From my experience in art, to perceive anything is to
compare or
relate to
that object with your total experiences. Differences /
similarities
that create
pleasure, surprise, or in some, a transformation to your
expectations
is what
gives me an a,e.
mando
On Oct 12, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Luc Delannoy wrote:
Michael, list,
Briefly.
In order to understand what an aesthetic experience
might be, I am
trying to
understand where it is, and when does it occur.
It as been said that aesthetic involves the senses
(sensorial
receptors);
fine. But if you believe, as I do, that sensing is
non-epistemic,
that
sensing is not a conscious mental state, that there is
no qualitative
ressemblance, just structural isomorphism, than you
have to ask
yourself the
question I put forward.
Perceiving is a different process; it comes after
sensing, in superior
cortices and nuclei.
It doesn't make much sense to me to say that an
aesthetic
experience is the
experiencing of the senses.
However, if it is the experiencing of what the senses
carry to the
brain
(experiencing something related to the senses), then I
suggest it
occurs
during the process of perceiving.
But then, if that is the case, we might have a problem
with the
association of
the 2 words: aesthetic + experience, since it is not
an aesthetic
experience
per se.
We do not perceive all what we are sensing, so there
is a deficit.
Perceiving
is selecting. How do we select what our senses carry?
Just on the
basis of the
difference between pain and pleasure? What is the role
of memory?
Sensing is an act, it has biological effect on us; no
matter what
happens with
the process of perceiving it changes us.
After (or should I say during?) the selective process,
are we
always conscious
of what we perceive? I donbt think so. I believe we
spend most of
our life
in a non-conscious perceiving state.
And there you go with the debate about non-conscious
(unnoticed)
aesthetic
experience.
What a mess, right ?
Unless we just say, bwe are experiencing xb.
Based on the above, I have no doubt an experience is
always
subjective.
Luc
www.lucdelannoy.com
Where is the aesthetic experience if sensing
is
non-epistemic?
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain?
