In a message dated 11/30/08 12:59:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> So how do you demonstrate the immateriality of consciousness?  How do you
> demonstrate the immateriality of anything at all?
>
I'm ready to say no one can prove it, any more than they can prove the
existence of a material world.

Dualists, who believe the "world" contains two kinds of objects -- notional
and material -- tend to take the non-solipsist, "realist" view when it comes
to
the material world: Philosophy for each person begins with the things that
person unalterably BELIEVES. Such a dualist knows he can't "prove" there are
material rocks and other human bodies "out there", but it's an unshakable
conviction in his mind, and, he says, if you honestly assert you don't believe
there
are, the conversation ends there.

Similarly, assume the dualist breaks a leg.   A neurologist shows him a scan
of his brain, and points at a wriggling neural plexus and says, "That's the
pain in your knee."   The dualist is likely to say, "Like hell that's my
pain!"
 "Sure it is," says the neurologist. "And over here, this wriggling plexus is
your worry that you'll never play football again." And it goes on like that,
with the neurologist pointing at bits of material flesh and asserting they are
feelings, and the dualist not buying a bit of it.

Many dualists will readily concede a causal connection between the material
nerve and the immaterial consciousness. But, they would say, a pinched nerve
and the pain from a pinched nerve are two different entities.




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