In a message dated 4/10/09 8:29:35 AM, [email protected] writes:

> >> BTW, Saul, might you present an example of an image that cannot be
> >> "complex and represent a knowing - a source of self reflective
> experience"
> (Chris asks)
>
> > a photograph of you (Saul replies)
>
> Hah! Score one for Saul  (Kate already has)
>
> But considered seriously,  why can't a photograph of me be used that way ?
>
> Don't you use photographs of yourself that way -- especially if they were
> taken decades ago, back before hopes had been replaced by experience ?
>
> Many people tend to look at old pictures of themselves and reflect on
themselves at that time and themselves at the time they are viewing the old
picture. I can readily believe that you would not think of doing this and
this
would make an old picture of you   not a source of self reflective experience
 to you.   If the picture were unidentified, other people on this list
might very well take it as a picture of an anonymous man which they might
reflect on as displaying or not signs of blandness or attempted
rebellion,untidiness of mind or rigid thought,self importance or an
unsuccessful desire to
stand out from   the crowd.
Kate Sullivan


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