On 4/9/09 10:32 AM, "Chris Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:

Where do we  find Heidegger speaking about "the relationship between form,
subject, style, materiality, composition, point of view, scale, aesthetics,
ethics, rhetoric,conception, etc." ?

in his writings on poetry - the totality of a persons analysis is not to be
found in a single essay - no matter how badly you want the condensed version


Heidegger tells us that "art is the becoming and happening of truth" -- so
aren't you just a little disconcerted, Saul,  when the "truth" that he
recognizes in the Van Gogh painting is probably not there at all ?

The truth may be though the narrative he would like tos ee there may not be -
the truth that he purports  to be there is that objective  truths ( I the
Kantian sense) exist within a context not in the abstract - in his
interpretation of van gogh's  shoes he attempt to address this notion of being
within   - it is this you have to prove is not there


And do you really think that "the god is present" in every Greek temple, as
Heidegger tells us ?

The greek gods  are - show me how they are not - the greek gods as
mythological beings are ideological constructs - so you want to argue that the
greek temple isn't

  And, since
Heidegger likes to contemplate how words are commonly used -- hasn't the  the
word "art" been usually chosen to memorialize the importance of that
difference ?

Heidegger demonstrates that art originally resided in teche - standardized
knowledge  and that the vernacular misconstrues this as do you

BTW, Saul, might you present an example of an image that cannot be
"complex and represent a knowing - a source of self reflective experience"

a photograph of you

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>I'm not speaking of just the literary narrative that one can attribute to
aimage - I'm talking about the relationship between form, subject,
style,materiality, composition, point of view, scale, aesthetics, ethics,
rhetoric,conception, etc.

to say that something is a mere image does not mean you can not have
associations - means that they are not complex and do not represent a
knowing-
a source of self reflective experience






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