Frances says:

 The normal is what the perfect ought
to be in mind, and not what it actually is, because the perfect
ideal is only as real as the norm of sense. 

I respond:

If that is so, how do we experience the normal, or know it when it occurs? 
You have set up a tautology by which neither state, perfect or normal, can be 
known and neither, therefore is different from the other, except in non-normal 
idealization.  You proclaim a belief system, and that's fine with me because I 
want to claim that all consciousness is embedded in belief. But to get past 
that subjectivity we need to pretend that signs stand for an objectifying of 
belief (we make-believe).  Since you seem to deny that requirement, we are left 
with a permanent gap between belief (idealization) and real, objective normal 
(not pretended via make-believe). And that means that both states remain 
equally subjective, or idealized, taking us full circle back to my assertion 
that your normal is equivalent to anyone's perfect.

    WC

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