Frances to Boris... 

There is a little story in pragmatism that might be relevant
here. It is about the sun and earthly stuff using it. The sun it
seems gives of its energy freely for its own sake and wants
nothing in return for the effort. The sunflower on earth takes
this energy and uses it, which it also must do to survive. The
essence and existence of the sunflower represents the energy and
existence of the sun, by which acting toward such represented
status other reproduced sunflowers can benefit. The sun in turn
also represents the sunflower in its presence. The existent
sunflower however is not a sign of the sun, nor is the existent
sun a sign of the sunflower. They are however representative
"representamen" of each other. This story establishes that things
continuing in the evolving world do so basically by a process of
representation and are thus phenomenal representamen, and also
that there are representamen which are not signs and
representamen that are signs. In summary, everything in the world
therefore is a seeming phenomenon, and then anything in the world
can be a representamen, yet something in the world will be a
sign; so that not everything in the world is a sign. 

Now, if signs exist objectively and independently of humans and
minds, then signers signing with signs can be mechanisms of
matter or organisms of life. This means that matter is effete or
weak mind that engages in quasi thought at least with signals as
it evolves. This also means that all biotic life feels, and that
some life senses if it is animal, so that all animal organisms
are consciously aware of their own existence to some degree in
that they normally act only to survive and thrive. All animals
including humans will thus consciously sense their own self as a
sign signifying themselves as a subject of the self. Even
consciousness of the animal and human as pure feeling is
nonetheless a sign, because it is prone to doubt and error by the
self and therefore must be interpreted. 

Pragmatism holds that all matter is phenomenal and potentially a
sign that bears information which it feels, and mainly in the
form of an index that is a signal. This goes to the attributed
essences and manifested substances and exemplified presences of
originating matter and its subsequent forms of life. The
continuance and existence of matter or life as an object is thus
at least a crude and brute signal that tends to represent its
very being to other stuff in the world, and this representation
is via objects acting as signs. This metaphysical approach is a
realist position, and of course may not be the same as your
position. 

Boris wrote... 
For me, existence of a rock is a 'signal' of its physical
presence to the environment regardless of subjective element of
humans. 

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