It's all this privatization. kate Sullivan In a message dated 7/3/09 9:30:47 PM, [email protected] writes:
> Ok,Boris, now tell me what she said, so i can understand. > mando > > On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Frances Kelly wrote: > > > Frances to Boris... > > > > There is a little story in pragmatism that might be relevant > > here. It is about the sun and earthly stuff using it. The sun it > > seems gives of its energy freely for its own sake and wants > > nothing in return for the effort. The sunflower on earth takes > > this energy and uses it, which it also must do to survive. The > > essence and existence of the sunflower represents the energy and > > existence of the sun, by which acting toward such represented > > status other reproduced sunflowers can benefit. The sun in turn > > also represents the sunflower in its presence. The existent > > sunflower however is not a sign of the sun, nor is the existent > > sun a sign of the sunflower. They are however representative > > "representamen" of each other. This story establishes that things > > continuing in the evolving world do so basically by a process of > > representation and are thus phenomenal representamen, and also > > that there are representamen which are not signs and > > representamen that are signs. In summary, everything in the world > > therefore is a seeming phenomenon, and then anything in the world > > can be a representamen, yet something in the world will be a > > sign; so that not everything in the world is a sign. > > > > Now, if signs exist objectively and independently of humans and > > minds, then signers signing with signs can be mechanisms of > > matter or organisms of life. This means that matter is effete or > > weak mind that engages in quasi thought at least with signals as > > it evolves. This also means that all biotic life feels, and that > > some life senses if it is animal, so that all animal organisms > > are consciously aware of their own existence to some degree in > > that they normally act only to survive and thrive. All animals > > including humans will thus consciously sense their own self as a > > sign signifying themselves as a subject of the self. Even > > consciousness of the animal and human as pure feeling is > > nonetheless a sign, because it is prone to doubt and error by the > > self and therefore must be interpreted. > > > > Pragmatism holds that all matter is phenomenal and potentially a > > sign that bears information which it feels, and mainly in the > > form of an index that is a signal. This goes to the attributed > > essences and manifested substances and exemplified presences of > > originating matter and its subsequent forms of life. The > > continuance and existence of matter or life as an object is thus > > at least a crude and brute signal that tends to represent its > > very being to other stuff in the world, and this representation > > is via objects acting as signs. This metaphysical approach is a > > realist position, and of course may not be the same as your > > position. > > > > Boris wrote... > > For me, existence of a rock is a 'signal' of its physical > > presence to the environment regardless of subjective element of > > humans. > > > ************** Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)
