" Pragmatism holds that all matter is phenomenal and potentially a sign that bears information which it feels, and mainly in the form of an index that is a signal".
This is what she said. And I agree with description, in general, except I would not use the word 'feels'. I prefer physical reaction. Boris Shoshensky ---------- Original Message ---------- From: armando baeza <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Sign Defined Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:30:25 -0700 Ok,Boris, now tell me what she said, so i can understand. mando On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Frances Kelly wrote: > Frances to Boris... > > There is a little story in pragmatism that might be relevant > here. It is about the sun and earthly stuff using it. The sun it > seems gives of its energy freely for its own sake and wants > nothing in return for the effort. The sunflower on earth takes > this energy and uses it, which it also must do to survive. The > essence and existence of the sunflower represents the energy and > existence of the sun, by which acting toward such represented > status other reproduced sunflowers can benefit. The sun in turn > also represents the sunflower in its presence. The existent > sunflower however is not a sign of the sun, nor is the existent > sun a sign of the sunflower. They are however representative > "representamen" of each other. This story establishes that things > continuing in the evolving world do so basically by a process of > representation and are thus phenomenal representamen, and also > that there are representamen which are not signs and > representamen that are signs. In summary, everything in the world > therefore is a seeming phenomenon, and then anything in the world > can be a representamen, yet something in the world will be a > sign; so that not everything in the world is a sign. > > Now, if signs exist objectively and independently of humans and > minds, then signers signing with signs can be mechanisms of > matter or organisms of life. This means that matter is effete or > weak mind that engages in quasi thought at least with signals as > it evolves. This also means that all biotic life feels, and that > some life senses if it is animal, so that all animal organisms > are consciously aware of their own existence to some degree in > that they normally act only to survive and thrive. All animals > including humans will thus consciously sense their own self as a > sign signifying themselves as a subject of the self. Even > consciousness of the animal and human as pure feeling is > nonetheless a sign, because it is prone to doubt and error by the > self and therefore must be interpreted. > > Pragmatism holds that all matter is phenomenal and potentially a > sign that bears information which it feels, and mainly in the > form of an index that is a signal. This goes to the attributed > essences and manifested substances and exemplified presences of > originating matter and its subsequent forms of life. The > continuance and existence of matter or life as an object is thus > at least a crude and brute signal that tends to represent its > very being to other stuff in the world, and this representation > is via objects acting as signs. This metaphysical approach is a > realist position, and of course may not be the same as your > position. > > Boris wrote... > For me, existence of a rock is a 'signal' of its physical > presence to the environment regardless of subjective element of > humans. ____________________________________________________________ Take control of your future. Search for top earning food franchises. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbvXFQrH04YY6vaRhWRAKWuE QeTFyY8ejfkOWHC5qqwgqDZsiTi4g/
