I am not familiar with Japanese Noise music. Who calls it 'noise' Japanese or westerners? Sound could be very pleasant (stream, birds), but it is not music. Music is a highly organized information through sound created by able human. Boris Shoshensky ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Allan Sutherland <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Rational Discussion and aesthetic quality Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:08:33 +0900
On 28/08/2009 08:58, "Boris Shoshensky" <[email protected]> wrote: > "But, contrastingly too, > Derek Bailey argues that anybody can improvise musically, they either do so > with a low or extremely high level of sophistication". > > I think, Bailey is wrong. If sophistication of improvisation is below certain > level music dies and noise is born. > Anybody can't improvise musically. > > Boris Shoshensky You may be correct, Boris, but this partly depends on what you consider to be music. Bailey is arguing that idiomatic improvisation is determined by containment within a music idiom, while free improvisation, non-idiomatic improvisation has no such boundaries. Thus, jazz improvisation is contained within the structures of jazz pieces and by harmonic progressions. But if the idea of harmonic progressions and sturcture is abandoned, then the width of music becomes larger as an exploration in sound, for some it is also an exploration of noise, e.g., Japanese Noise music. Bailey argues that improvisation without precondition is difficult but everyone is capable if they abandon the idea of preconditions, starting point. But if you consider music to have some kind of harmonic or structural progression to is, in the absence of which it becomes noise then you are correct. If you consider that music is a relationship of sounds with rhythms or pulses, then the situation becomes more difficult to conclude as that improvisation without skill is noise. I am sympathetic to both arguments, but would buy music and attend concerts of the more skilled improvisors, not the lesser ones. Toodle-pip, Allan. -- http://braesidecottage-garden-music.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwFJjNjvO2NbQixHhGfddZb 7MsLb2Gw40ly4mCZ1BLmZGryfAwso/
